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Why I'm leaving Canada to attend university in the US

Vancouver's become a hub for university recruiters. Our students have garnered a reputation internationally. Each year, we send some of the brightest students to the US, in what could be described as the Canadian youth brain drain.

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The author, Michelle Pham, won a scholarship to attend Bates College (pictured above) in Maine

For Grade 12 students at Sir Winston Churchill Secondary,  the question  everyone's asking is, “Where are you going to university next year?” Unlike my many friends who are self-reporting marks to UBC, SFU and other Canadian schools, I know where I'm going. I will be matriculating at Bates College in Lewiston, Maine next September.

A liberal arts college comprised of 1,700 students (smaller than my current highschool with a population of 2,200 students), Bates has a selective acceptance rate of 26%. I was a lucky draft this year, and I will be attending university in the United States with a generous financial aid package allowing my parents to only pay $10,000 a year for my personalized education, tuition and room and board in these next four years.

 Why go down south where an education comes with such a hefty price tag? For one, some of the lecture halls in Canadian universities such as the University of Toronto and the University of Waterloo can contain five-hundred to seven-hundred students.

That's just too much for me.

Richard Wang, a student at the University of Waterloo said, “It's difficult to motivate yourself to attend lectures unless you have a compelling professor. It's just too big and at times very tedious. You can get the same experience out of your textbook.”

At Bates, most of my classes will have on average, 20 students, allowing me to develop strong relationships with my peers and professors. I admit that I will be in the middle of nowhere next year, far from the conveniences of Montreal or Vancouver, but as a city girl, I know that I need the isolation in order to propel myself completely into my studies. Another reason? If you come from a low-income family, an American education is much more affordable than you think. Although competition for the financial aid packages is competitive if you're an international student, it's not impossible to get a full ride to schools based on merit or need.

The 2011 university admissions statistics compiled in the New York Times named this year as the most competitive year in the history of university admissions in the United States. That proved to be no barrier for Saint George's school, an all-boys preparatory school in the Dunbar area. This year, they have two students accepted into Harvard and a handful of others accepted into Stanford, Princeton, Yale, Dartmouth, Columbia, UPenn and Brown – some of the top-tier and Ivy league schools in the U.S.

Vancouver is now a hub for university recruiters and ambitious minds. Our students have garnered a reputation internationally. Each year, we send some of our brightest students to the United States, in what could be described as the Canadian youth braindrain. The culture is also evolving (or depleting – depending on who you ask) to accomodate students and parents with big dreams.

SAT and ACT preparation academies are abundant with Kerrisdale's Ivy Academy and West Broadway's Elite Institution being two of the several preparatory institutions that train students to write standardized tests. The industry is in demand here in Vancouver, and will only continue to expand with the burgeoning  immigrant population with high aspirations for the first-generation. University counseling for Canada and US schools are also on the rise. Options Solutions, with offices in West Vancouver and Vancouver caters to students who want advice on how to obtain admission into a dream school.

But the competition extends throughout Canada as well. Earlier on in the year, my counselor sent the entire graduating class an email stating that he'd highly recommend us all to apply to Langara College in light of UBC's growing admission demands, and to be frank – Langara is a plausible option for talented students in this city. Despite the stigma that some students attach to attending a community college in Vancouver, they are a great path for those who want to receive a more compact and intimate education.

Colleges can take you straight to the skilled trades, or into larger universities through transfer programs. Keenan Hassan, a student at Richmond High school decided to enroll in the Langara transfer program for various reasons. He had the grades to make UBC and SFU, but chose Langara for its smaller classes and it's much more affordable price tag. There was no pressure for Keenan. On the other hand,  over spring break, Kadidja Youssouf, a Grade 12 student at Sir Winston Churchill Secondary School was finishing a Math 12 online course so that she could self-submit those marks to UBC in April.

Students who weren't able to make the grade frantically rushed to enroll in online courses in online schools in a desperate attempt to finish courses within a time span of two to four weeks. Jennifer Lawrence* enrolled in Chemistry 12 during spring break and has taken two weeks off of school to complete the course. “I need to get into UBC and at this point, this course is my only option. I need to make the mark so that my average is high enough. I've even gone to Victoria to write some of the tests.”

It is a bit futile to attempt to finish a course designed for the time span of one year in the matter of two weeks, but that is what our students are faced with in light of the spectacular qualifications that top students are armed with today. Reformers of the education system have suggested a more holistic approach to reviewing applications arguing that the meritocratic system of Canadian universities is questionable seeing that the standard of education throughout Vancouver is not levelled from school to school. Geography at one school may be a piece of cake whereas geography at another may be rocket science at another. There's just no way to measure the teaching quality and the academic performance in relation to other students.

 The Vancouver high school education system (and overall, the Canadian system), is one of the most top-tier educations that you can receive in the world. Besides, we are some of the privileged few who have the opportunity to read, to write and to have held a graphing calculator in our hands.

 *Name changed.

(11) Comments

Anonymously annoyed April 17th 2011 | 10:22 PM

Nice article, but it's just a tad unfair comparing Waterloo's class sizes to a liberal arts college's class size. Canada has many good liberal arts colleges that are just as small, and the US has colleges that are much bigger than Waterloo.

The US colleges have a quota of around 10 percent each year for Canadians, and many of the best students pay thousands to these "academies" just to get into that 10 percent. What a waste of time and money. 

IB
Arthur April 17th 2011 | 10:22 PM
Why zero mention of IB ???
Cathy Chao April 18th 2011 | 12:12 PM

"Each year, we send some of the brightest students to the US"

First, did Vancouver choose to send them there? No, those students applied and took SAT/GRE/GMAT. They applied because they wanted to go to those top-tier schools. 

Second, I really think it's a personal choice. Whether you are the brightest student in a class or the not-so-bright student in a class, you are still the one who decides where to apply and where to go.

I graduated from SFU and I am proud of my school. I now study for my master degree in Emerson College, Boston, MA. Do you think I came to Boston because of the lecture size was too big in SFU? In fact, I don't compare SFU vs. Emerson, because there are just so many differences, not to mention one is UNIVERSITY and one is COLLEGE. I came to Emerson because it has a great IMC program. There are only a few schools that offer this program and there's no IMC program offered in Vancouver. If I wanted to pursue studies in such program, I had no choice but to go to either Emerson College or Northwestern University. I chose Emerson College not because the lecture size in Northwestern was too big; it was a rather complex decision. 

I don't live the American dream. I don't think the problems that you mentioned about the education system in BC are really big problems that force students to move somewhere else for a better education. In fact I think the distance-ed (online) course is a great OPTION (you're not forced to take it). I didn't have such option back in 2006, and we were forced to take provincials. Students now are given more choices and I don't get why they are still complaining. Even the provincials are optional now...

By the way, I am a city girl too. I was born in Taipei. I lived in Vancouver for many years and I was looking forward to the urban life in Boston before I came. It turns out that Boston isn't urban enough for me. Fantasy died after I moved to Boston. 

Hello everyone!

      Thanks for all the varying viewpoints offered - I really appreciate it.

 

To the first question: I myself did not subscribe to the 'academy' POV - I self-studied for the standardized tests with books I bought off of Amazon (bane of my existence!). However, plenty of students do invest money in 'academies' because they tend to offer good results and have reputations that are spread from parent to parent/throughout the city.

While I do not find it necessary to spend money on ACT/SAT classes, some people have the money and time to do so and if they are willing to spend, then so be it. What they do with their time is relevant to their own choices.

While I recognize that Canada has liberal arts colleges, they are few and sparse and most often not as competitive in comparison to larger universities such as UBC or Mcgill. In the States, the LACs are developed and have stronger reputations: Wellesley, Amherst, Swarthmore, Bowdoin and Williams are often as competitive and challenging as their larger and reputable counterparts. However, we do have Mount Allison - a fantastic liberal arts university and Kings College, but those two are some of the few LACs that people are aware of.

In response to Cathy, I didn't mean to convey that I didn't like online courses. I love them! I have taken over six online courses (Advance Placement, Italian etc) over these past two years. Since I travel during the school year at times, it offers another way for me to be educated. While I think that provincial exams should still be mandatory (as to set an equal bar throughout the province in terms of academic achievement measurement) - I am not complaining about our system. I'm simply suggesting that we have a standard bar so that we can measure student achievement in order to improve areas in education that need more resources, finances, support etc. Overall, there is no high school test in Vancouver as of now that would measure the success rate of students in classes (aside from AP/IB/Prov exams). Even then, most often it is only students who are excelling who end up registering for these exams so the results that come out can be skewed.

Overall, I chose Bates because it was the type of environment that I wanted to be in: small, dynamic, outdoorsy and intimate. The academics were strong and their polisci program appealed to me + I needed a quiet place to study for the next four years. For my family, $10,000/year is do-able; not to mention, I will have covered at least 1/3 of that covered through other scholarships that I have won. For room and board, tuition, meal plans and books - Bates is much more affordable than if I were to go to Mcgill - my second choice (where I would have to live on res + scholarships are few and not extremely high in amount; students with averages of 97 still receive the $3000 entrance scholarship - which isn't too much when you add all the tuition/books/board together), UBC or Mount Allison.

Just my two cents! Hope you all are enjoying the sunshine outside!

M.

Sam April 18th 2011 | 7:19 PM

Why I chose to come to Canada for my education!

First, cost. Canada does not have a plethera of private colleges. Oh, there are some. But not as many as in the States.

It cost me about $5000 a year to go in Canada. In US it was $25,000 for a college that was not even close to the rigor of my Canadian university.

Sure, if you can go to Yale and can afford it, well, go. But I did get into Swarthmore, one of the 7 Sisters and chose to come here instead. Yes, I could have loaned myself to death and started my career with $80,000 in  the hole. Why do that?!

Second, the US is headed into a dark place. There is a lot of nervous tension and anxiety I could not stand.

And the health care.....Yikes! I had to buy insurance when there which cost $400 a month with co-pays and deductibles to where they never paid a dime for anything.

I just missed Canada so much, the happiness, the friendly people, the security......

I have a great job that I love now thanks to my education at a university right here at home.

Ryan April 18th 2011 | 9:21 PM
Cathy Chao wrote:

I graduated from SFU and I am proud of my school. I now study for my master degree in Emerson College, Boston, MA. Do you think I came to Boston because of the lecture size was too big in SFU? In fact, I don't compare SFU vs. Emerson, because there are just so many differences, not to mention one is UNIVERSITY and one is COLLEGE.

In the states, the only difference between a University and a College is the number of enrolled students, so you are kind of reinforcing the other argument with this one..

Sam wrote:

It cost me about $5000 a year to go in Canada. In US it was $25,000 for a college that was not even close to the rigor of my Canadian university.

That is a pretty bold statement, and I'm not really sure how you could judge that without having attended both to make a reasonable comparison....

 

I am a sophomore (second year) at Bates College, and was born and raised in Vancouver. I chose Bates because of the intimate setting, the gorgeous campus, and its relative location. Maybe having small class sizes isn't a top priority for some, but I knew that was what I wanted, and I am thrilled with this at Bates. I love being on a first-name basis with professors and going for dinner with them or being invited to office hours simply to talk about life, rather than the class. There are no TA's teaching the classes, and all professor's have their doctorate (or equivalent) in their respective fields- and it shows.

Small, LACs in the US aren't for everyone, but I know that, as offered in the article, if I went to a large Canadian university where lectures were with 500+ students, I would most likely not be attending classes... ever. Why bother, I could learn more from just having a friend read the text book aloud. The interaction and seminar style education is what sets apart these schools.

 

In addition, many LACs in the US are financial aid-blind when applying, and offer aid on a need basis. This shouldn't be compared to State-schools that have a $25,000+ (often $45,000+) price tag attached.

 

 

Raymond April 20th 2011 | 7:19 PM

I'm sorry. The U.S has some of the best universities and colleges in the world. There is no argument to be made. Canada has very good less expensive universities, yes.

You cannot lump U.S schools as not having the same rigor as your cheap Canadian school. There are so many universities in the U.S that there are bound to be some not so great.

 

 

 

Raymond April 20th 2011 | 7:19 PM

I'm sorry.. but the U.S has some of the best universities and colleges in the world. You cannot compare. Canada has great less expensive ones, yes. I just simply don't want to have to live here to attend a cheaper one. One really has to do research before criticizing.

There are so many universities in the U.S there are bound to be a few not so good ones.

Insider Insight April 20th 2011 | 11:23 PM

My academic position meant that all of my children could have had free tuition at UBC. All applied and were accepted. Having an insider view of the nature of undergraduate education there, I encouraged all of them to look instead to liberal arts colleges south of the border. And all of them did. UBC grinds undergraduates through a mean mill, as do many US state universities. In institutions like those, teaching matters far less than things like "research" and administrators and fancy facilities and athletics. Meanwhile, much of the undergraduate teaching gets fobbed off onto harried graduate students and unhappy sessional slaves. A good student who can find the guts to move out into a new world need not pay any more to go to a US college. (There is no need to "study" for the SAT or to pay for prepping – just look over one of the books that describes how the testing works.)

Hannah May 27th 2011 | 9:09 AM
Sam wrote:

Sure, if you can go to Yale and can afford it, well, go. But I did get into Swarthmore, one of the 7 Sisters and chose to come here instead. Yes, I could have loaned myself to death and started my career with $80,000 in  the hole. Why do that?!

Just pointing out that cost is not at all an issue for the Ivies... need-based financial aid is open to international students at Harvard, Yale and Princeton. Otherwise I think your larger point stands.

BRabbitty December 31st 2012 | 1:13 PM

Vancouver public high school education sucks, and UBC is a money-grinding, repetitive mill of classes of a continuation of the confusing, parochial, and stringent instruction in high school (heard from mom's friends' kids) where the teachers themselves don't know the material well or in depth enough, and don't care. I attend a Big Three Ivy and my middle-class family ($100k annual income) only has to pay $8000 in total costs. Seriously, I never want to go back to Vancouver for break. It has amazing resources-really clear instructors, challenging material, research, interaction with professors, internships (none of the "10 people compete for 1 internship spot"-more like everyone who is diligent in following through the application procedures get one). US Northeast is such a pleasant place, with values, traditions and an atmosphere of kindness; The people go out of their way to treat everyone fairly, and offer practical help when they can. I was late for my flight home for Christmas my freshman year of college, and the check-in guy, upon hearing I was not yet 21 and thus had to take a 2-hr train back to my dorm, frantically searched for any flights later that night. When there was none, he found another one at noon the next day and changed my ticket without charging, and went over the train stops with me so I wouldn't miss more trains (trains are confusing and leave VERY fast). Imagine that happening in Vancouver. Vancouver, perhaps because of its roots as a hippie town with little history, lacks values(moral relativity and PCness make sure of that), sense of responsibillity, doesn't cherish life/family, whines all the time, and is downright barbaric, crude and laughably pessimistic and self-important. These traits are shown in most of my adult teachers in hs and magnified to unbearable degrees in my hs classmates, and I suppose they don't just mature/become sensible people overnight in university. UBC feels very hostile from the events I attended.  I honestly don't know how Vancouverites got a reputation for being "friendly"-or how any informed person can call the US Northeast middle class "snobby" or "elitist".