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Why isn't anyone talking about the misogyny involved in Amanda Todd's life and death?

Photo sourced from R.I.P Amanda Todd Facebook page

With the death of 15-year-old Amanda Todd, BC schools have some reckoning on their hands. Will they take the opportunity to look at the systemic causes of Todd’s experience of harassment and violence, or let the lessons that can be learned from this tragedy get lost in a swamp of ambiguities?

While articles rolled in on mainstream news websites, conversation erupted on Facebook and in personal correspondence over email with women who are engaged in anti-violence and anti-oppression work across the country. In the spirit of our immediate reactions, I am quoting their comments in full.

“I wasn't sure if I should read the [Toronto Sun] article, but I started and I'm disgusted by the framing, at least in what I've read so far. I didn't like how the first part hints that the moral of the story is ‘girls, don't flash your breasts on a webcam,’ like it was her fault,” says Zoe Mallet, a human rights advocate and scholar in Ottawa.

“It made me want to take a topless photo and post it online with a statement of protest. Of course, I won't do this because I know most people wouldn't understand or get it, but the urge was there.”

Jarrah Hodge, member of the City of Vancouver’s Women’s Advisory Committee and founder of feminist blog Gender Focus says, “I found it odd how there seemed to be no specific attempt to address the gender aspects including the factors that led to ‘the mistakes’ she made and the way she was manipulated and slut-shamed. At one point yesterday after they took the video down from YouTube, it was still up at some other sites like ebaumsworld,[...]and it was horrible to see how a lot of folks who didn't know she'd committed suicide were on about how ‘emo’ the video was and how it was ‘whining’ from someone who ‘doesn't know how to give a good BJ.’”

Feminist scholar and writer, and former BC high school teacher Fazeela Jiwa posted: “Why isn't anyone talking about the sexism and misogyny involved in Amanda Todd's life and death? 'Bullying' is important, yes, but it is a vague term that glosses over the structural reasons for why it happens, like race/gender/class/ability. If we don't start talking about the specifics of power structures in high schools, every ‘bullying’ campaign will be a waste of time.”

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Comments

It's vital that we look more

It's vital that we look more at the gendered power dynamics involved in bullying. The crimes committed against Amanda Todd were both adult and misogynist and our response to her death must reflect that.

Where were her parents?

How come Amanda's parents were never mentioned? Did they deny her as their child because of what she did? If yes, then those are some inhumane parents..instead of supporting her, they stay silent..

Rest In Peace Amanda Todd, you will be missed by everyone and me );

I think everyone makes mistakes, and deserve to have a second chance.

God have mercy on your beautiful soul Amanda.

R.I.P ♥

We decided after this tragic

We decided after this tragic incident that BULLYING NEEDS TO BE STOPPED.  We have started a petition to try to make it illegal!

 

https://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/canadian-government-punish-with-t...

 

Misogyny

Can we please stop just thowing this word around? Do you call a woman a misandrist when she bullies or belittles a man?

There are many ugly angles to the Amanda Todd tragedy, but there is one I have not seen addressed, one sticking in my mind and that is the "mistake" of her momentary breast baring. What kind of a mistake? Well apparently common as many women admit they could have done something like that at her age. And then I have heard misogynists say things like, "Slut, that's what you get for flashing the camera" and it became clear what kind of a culture we are living in, one not much different from a place where a woman could get stoned to death for exposing a leg. Would this happen in a place like France where women sunbathe topless? Never. Would a man who mooned over the internet have the image captured and have a facebook page made to harass him? Ridiculous. A young girl encouraged to briefly expose herself should not be seen as guilty, in the same way as an underage girl cannot participate in consensual sex, but moreover flashing above the waist just shouldn't create this level of drama. Heck, I've flashed enough in my breastfeeding days. There are countless topless statues all over this city and the world. It's her body, her power and when that evil man captured it and did what he did he was taking her body and her power. It was a social media rape and he tortured her to death. Sure Amanda took a risk as we all have done in our lives at some time or another but she is not guilty of any moral transgression. She is a victim and I will be waiting to see whether justice will be served. Our gender equality in this country is counting on it.

Thank you so much for this.

I'm so glad to see that someone so clearly articulated some of the thoughts I had when I first saw Amanda's video. All I could think about was why this was not being discussed in terms of sexual harrasment, a framework which *still* doesn't do justice to the intense sexual coercion at the heart of the "bullying" she faced. Thank you for bringing a much-needed analysis of the complex sexual and gender dynamics at work in this story. And thank you for the final lines - it can have a different ending.

I couldn't stop cringing every time I heard this lovely girl's choices referred to as "mistakes." We are so limited by judgements. This article opened my eyes to understand my gut reaction. The problem is more than bullying. Girls and women everywhere need to pay attention to the lesson: to not be defined by, or need constant approval of, our appearance in order to feel valued. We are worth so much more than that.

You cringe when you hear

You cringe when you hear about her choices being talked about as mistakes? Why? Why can we not (like Amanda herself) acknowledge that she *did* make unwise choices, as many teenagers do? Flashing your breasts for attention: not a great way to get a positive and life-affirming response from people. Sleeping with someone else's boyfriend: never, ever a good idea. Yes, the guy was an asshole, and no, Amanda certainly didn't "deserve" the cruelty inflicted upon her. But she still made choices that weren't great, and was aware of that. It's important that we *do* make judgments about behavior, but it's equally important that those judgments are made in a constructive, kind, and useful way. Tragically, as a teenager in the midst of high school hell Amanda did not have the wider perspective that would have shown her a way out of that hell. She needed people to guide her out of the pit she was in, but that help came too late. It's unspeakably sad and tragic, but it doesn't change the fact that unwise decisions were made that she then felt unable to change. RIP.

Who wants to see my cock

I'll flash my cock right now to prove that no matter what sex you are, people will call you horrible names for exposing your body.

Great article. I've also felt

Great article. I've also felt misgivings about the use of the word "bullying" as a catch-all that includes assault, sexual harassment, and a plethora of other systemic issues that are far more insidious and terrible than the cute label could even begin to explain. Among other things, this young woman is a victim of our culture's deep sense of shame related to the female body and female sexuality and how that shame is used as a weapon to control women from such a young age.

everybody makes there own

everybody makes there own decisions, in this kind of situation somebody needs to be held responsible for the actions, this girl was pushed to this by people who blackmailed her and made her feel like she had nothing to live for.   The people that pushed her to this point should be put on stand and held responsible for the situation, bullying should be under the same level as asult and the people that pushed her to this should be charged to the full exstent of the law And made an example of... Rip amanda i never knew you im sure you were A amazing girl!

 

 

Pedophiles and slut-shamers

Also curious how few people seem to take issue with the fact that she was 13 when this happened -- which means just a year earlier, she was in grade six.  Even if it's a sexy and precocious 13-year-old, if you're a grown adult trying to come on to someone that young, you need to have your ass thrown in jail. 

Much more troubling than her "mistake" is how some pedo-predator can get away with luring children. And the utter lack of empathy and compassion among those around her for shaming her rather than her cyber-attacker. And how our culture teaches girls that young to go online looking for men. And that our supposedly "liberal" North American culture remains SO sex-phobic that it freaks out and goes berserk shaming a girl for showing her breasts.

Bullying isn't even the half of it. This whole society needs help.

She did nothing different than any young girls

What did this young lovely young girl do differently that many 100s no, thousands of girls do every year down in Mexico or Florida during spreak HUH??? They all act make mistakes!  Are they hounded for those mistakes to death!  God Da$^@#(*@%(#*$  it!! No, they are not.... they get away with their behaviours.... they take their tops off and flash... pictures are taken.... they sleep around and have sex with complete strangers during spring breaks.... NO, what was done to Amanda, was purely beyond bullying... it was harrassment, staulkment and vile behaviour by bullies who were brought up by bad parenting!  Plain and simple.  No values and no principles instilled in those ignorant bullies and they should be treated to the full extent of the law!  They bullied her to the point of altering the physiology of her brain.  She was a normal teenager before - and it wasn't after until she was bulllied for a couple years she began to descend into the dark world of anxiety, depression, cutting, bleach drinking and numerous attempts at suicide.... take that for what it is, as she was a happy go lucky girl who was in cheerleading before the jealous vultures couldn't deal with her anymore and decided to shove her into a dark place to where she could never EVER COME OUT OF! They are the ones who continously altered her mind AND MADE HER FEEL UNWORTHY.  NOT HER.  There is a lot to be said for the environment that you are in.... soooo sad.  They broke her spirit - it is true.

Dialogue

It's so important to change the conversation around this. I read one article which wrote about this incident in as neutral a way as possible, and generally created this subtext: support was in place, she was deeply disturbed, we don't know how deeply her mental troubles ran, she was a troubled teen, no matter where she went her trouble followed her; everything was done according to procedures, but she still killed herself. Aka despite all odds, she chose to die - as if her extreme anxiety, depression and fear were not caused by things that were happening. It's very sad that even at a time like this, the 'institution' is trying to protect itself by stating that procedures were followed. As if that meant anything. Clearly the procedures don't work. Clearly things are very very wrong. Clearly we're all missing a lot of aspects. And you definitely addressed one of these in your article. Acknowledging this misogyny and sexism is huge towards opening a productive dialogue - huge towards creating a different future.

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[quote=Lisa]

There are many ugly angles to the Amanda Todd tragedy, but there is one I have not seen addressed, one sticking in my mind and that is the "mistake" of her momentary breast baring. What kind of a mistake? Well apparently common as many women admit they could have done something like that at her age. And then I have heard misogynists say things like, "Slut, that's what you get for flashing the camera" and it became clear what kind of a culture we are living in, one not much different from a place where a woman could get stoned to death for exposing a leg. Would this happen in a place like France where women sunbathe topless? Never. Would a man who mooned over the internet have the image captured and have a facebook page made to harass him? Ridiculous. A young girl encouraged to briefly expose herself should not be seen as guilty, in the same way as an underage girl cannot participate in consensual sex, but moreover flashing above the waist just shouldn't create this level of drama. Heck, I've flashed enough in my breastfeeding days. There are countless topless statues all over this city and the world. It's her body, her power and when that evil man captured it and did what he did he was taking her body and her power. It was a social media rape and he tortured her to death. Sure Amanda took a risk as we all have done in our lives at some time or another but she is not guilty of any moral transgression. She is a victim and I will be waiting to see whether justice will be served. Our gender equality in this country is counting on it.

HELLO, HELLO, IS ANYONE HOME THERE?

What does her breast baring have to do with it - grow up.... 100s and 1000s of young girls do it every year during spring breaks - please don't act like you don't know that doesn't go on - DO THEY GET HOUNDED TO DEATH.... GRAB A BRAIN MAN!   OH, NO MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE  ONE BIG ENOUGH TO THINK ABOUT THAT - THAT GOES ON ALL THE TIME! DUH

 

losers everywhere

Jason Bryan wrote:

I'll flash my cock right now to prove that no matter what sex you are, people will call you horrible names for exposing your body.

TELL YOU WHAT- THIS is not the time and place ya goof, go find a more appropriate place, hhhm, say, like a porn site ok?  byebye good lord! unreal

more than bullying

Thanks for the article, Krissy. What's already been said is true: calling it "bullying" aims attention in the wrong direction, as though it's a personal defect, that all we have to do is convince the bullies of the error of their ways and all will be well, but that is not the case. What is going on is systemic--it's about children and teenagers having to deal with a brutal and sometimes deadly game that's played in the hell holes of contemporary high schools. It's about power. It's about boys controlling girls... and controlling access to girls. The girls who form "mean girl" groups are doing so to protect themselves. The system requires that not only do you form alliances for self-protection but that you bully other people. Only a small number of kids can opt out of this. As long as it's called simply "bullying," nothing will change, ever, ever. The violence, of course, is aimed not only at girls but at anyone who violates gender conventions. Teens themselves have to create an alternative, and we who have survived this shit have to do all we can to help them. Is it any wonder that The Hunger Games is such a huge success with teens, particularly teen girls? The story is about a girl who has to fight for her life with thousands of spectators watching while somebody else defines her sexuality. Isn't that a perfect metaphor for high school?

Amanda Todd's attacker.

I really do think that this man not only did he violate her, but I think that he is a Child Preditor. What he did, was commit Child Pornography towards the world. And that in it's own sense is sickening.

Sad part is... if this was a

Sad part is... if this was a 16 year old boy who did the flashing and got bullied and killed himself, he would have been called a "sexual pervert" and he "deserved it"...

a girl does it, shes a heroine and / or a martyr. Notice the absence of females saying what she did (flashing online) was "wrong".

None of you. And with that absence, you are opening the door for it to happen to another female child because she doesn't know it's "wrong" cause you won't teach her that it is... and most of you got the nerve to call yourselves "mothers".

Amanda Todd's death is being used as a vehicle for feminazi's political ajendas and misandry ...that is just utterly disgusting. so once again, Amanda's being "used".. but this time by other women for their own selfish reasons.

Shame on you. Let the girl rest in peace and stop trying to politically rape her and scavange her death for fuel to run your  "misandry machine". Shes been through enough.

Stop being a bully.

Pebble in my shoe

I can't stop thinking about this horrible story.  I tried talking to my husband about it and he blamed the girl and her parents.  My 15 year old daughter was indifferent and said "well, what did you expect?". My friends blamed facebook. My 17 year old son just grunted and went back to awesomer. It's like I was walking around with a pebble in my shoe and I couldn't get it out.  I finally read your article, and yes, thank-you thank-you thank-you for putting into words what I was feeling. 

This world is nuts.

Are we forgetting the fact that she was 15 and therefore should not be exposing herself? No, it doesn't make it okay to bully her, but there's nothing wrong with teaching children to have standards and boundaries. This wasn't about misogyny (as I recall, pleny of females picked on her too), it was about a bunch of heartless kids pushing a young girl over the edge.

Ahem.

StopIt JustStopIt! wrote:

Jason Bryan wrote:

I'll flash my cock right now to prove that no matter what sex you are, people will call you horrible names for exposing your body.

TELL YOU WHAT- THIS is not the time and place ya goof, go find a more appropriate place, hhhm, say, like a porn site ok?  byebye good lord! unreal

 

I believe he was trying to say that it's ridiculous how people judge others over-critically just for flashing "private parts".

RE: Amanda Todd

I agree with EVERYTHING stated in this article. 110%. I saw the video yesterday morning, and the questions circulating in my brain last night were: 'where was Amanda's parents?' 'Why didn't anyone report this horrible man to the police before he extorted her? Why wasn't this made public before Amanda had to suffer so badly? He was the one who should have been punished severely. Not her. Furthermore, I strongly believe that the students involved in the bullying should also be held responsible for their behavior. BIG TIME!

Tired of people shifting the blame

fed_up_with_the_bs wrote:

Sad part is... if this was a 16 year old boy who did the flashing and got bullied and killed himself, he would have been called a "sexual pervert" and he "deserved it"...

a girl does it, shes a heroine and / or a martyr. Notice the absence of females saying what she did (flashing online) was "wrong".

None of you. And with that absence, you are opening the door for it to happen to another female child because she doesn't know it's "wrong" cause you won't teach her that it is... and most of you got the nerve to call yourselves "mothers".

Amanda Todd's death is being used as a vehicle for feminazi's political ajendas and misandry ...that is just utterly disgusting. so once again, Amanda's being "used".. but this time by other women for their own selfish reasons.

Shame on you. Let the girl rest in peace and stop trying to politically rape her and scavange her death for fuel to run your  "misandry machine". Shes been through enough.

Stop being a bully.

THANK YOU! I was going to post something like this as well. I'm sick of seeing everyone blaming "the big bad man" as if Amanda Todd and other females in this story are completely and utterly innocent.

What these people do is disempower women. It's everybody else's fault. Was it Amanda's fault for CHOOSING to sleep with a boy? Of course  not! He's male so therefore he's to blame.

Hell, look at Amanda's video for proof of what these feminists are doing to girls. She said "He hooked up with me"

It wasn't "We hooked up". It wasn't "I hooked up with him". It was HE hooked up with me. It was HIS fault that she slept with him.

She is not completely blameless. The guys in this do not hold ALL of the blame. There are other girls who probably hold the lions share of the blame when it came to the actual bullying aspect of what happened. There is lots of blame to go around in this story. So stop using other people's tragedy as your soap box.

 

Amanda Todd misogyny article

Please do not disregard one of the worst criminal elements of this event as this child was only 12 or 13 at the time her picture was circulated.  Not only is the stalker/blackmailer guilty of harassment but should also be considered a sexual predator and a pedophile and should be charged as such.  These types of criminals never last very long in a penitentiary setting and that's where this perpetrator belongs.

Thanks - that's an interesting thought!

Thank you for this perspective! I found your post as a reaction to my own blog post http://tweet4ok.com/stop-social-media-bullying-now/ 
You make an intersting point and I hope you don't mind me adding it to the discussion on the blog and on my Facebook Page.

As a dad and immigrant the hippocracy of our culture bothers me a lot - on one hand we rant about nudity and bleep out words on TV on the other hand porn websites are booming.

DONT EVEN TRY TO JUSTIFY THIS - JUST DONT!

StopIt JustStopIt! wrote:

What did this young lovely young girl do differently that many 100s no, thousands of girls do every year down in Mexico or Florida during Spring Break HUH??? They all act make mistakes!  Are they hounded for those mistakes to death!  God Da$^@#(*$  it!! No, they are not- they get away with their behaviours.... they take their tops off and flash... pictures are taken.... they sleep around and have sex with complete strangers during these spring breaks! NO, what was done to Amanda Todd, was purely beyond bullying... it was harrassment, staulkment and vile behaviour by bullies who were brought up by bad parenting!  Plain and simple.  No values and no principles instilled in those ignorant bullies and they should be treated to the full extent of the law!  They bullied her to the point of altering the physiology of her brain.  She was a normal teenager before - and it wasn't after until she was bulllied for a couple years she began to descend into the dark world of anxiety, depression, cutting, bleach drinking and numerous attempts at suicide.... take that for what it is, as she was a happy go lucky girl who was in cheerleading before the jealous vultures couldn't deal with her anymore and decided to shove her brain into a dark place to where she could never EVER COME OUT OF! They are the ones who continously altered her mind AND MADE HER FEEL UNWORTHY.  NOT HER.  There is a lot to be said for the environment that you are in.... soooo sad.  They broke her spirit - it is true.

She said already that she made a MISTAKE!!!!

Sick of Misandry wrote:

fed_up_with_the_bs wrote:

Sad part is... if this was a 16 year old boy who did the flashing and got bullied and killed himself, he would have been called a "sexual pervert" and he "deserved it"...

a girl does it, shes a heroine and / or a martyr. Notice the absence of females saying what she did (flashing online) was "wrong".

None of you. And with that absence, you are opening the door for it to happen to another female child because she doesn't know it's "wrong" cause you won't teach her that it is... and most of you got the nerve to call yourselves "mothers".

Amanda Todd's death is being used as a vehicle for feminazi's political ajendas and misandry ...that is just utterly disgusting. so once again, Amanda's being "used".. but this time by other women for their own selfish reasons.

Shame on you. Let the girl rest in peace and stop trying to politically rape her and scavange her death for fuel to run your  "misandry machine". Shes been through enough.

Stop being a bully.

THANK YOU! I was going to post something like this as well. I'm sick of seeing everyone blaming "the big bad man" as if Amanda Todd and other females in this story are completely and utterly innocent.

What these people do is disempower women. It's everybody else's fault. Was it Amanda's fault for CHOOSING to sleep with a boy? Of course  not! He's male so therefore he's to blame.

Hell, look at Amanda's video for proof of what these feminists are doing to girls. She said "He hooked up with me"

It wasn't "We hooked up". It wasn't "I hooked up with him". It was HE hooked up with me. It was HIS fault that she slept with him.

She is not completely blameless. The guys in this do not hold ALL of the blame. There are other girls who probably hold the lions share of the blame when it came to the actual bullying aspect of what happened. There is lots of blame to go around in this story. So stop using other people's tragedy as your soap box.

 

Amanda - as young as she was, was also wise enough to know that she made mistakes!!!!!! Did you not get that part! Now, she made MISTAKES!!!!! So, she should DIE  for them??? Should you DIE for mistakes you have made.... oh my goodness  - what is with people, not mention she was a lost lilttle soul!!  A child for crying out loud looking for a place to belong....this society is unreal

Shake my head

Some of the comments on here are running what little hope I have left for humanity.... My god.  

She would be alive today if she were a man. A man would not be slut shamed the way Amanda was for exposing her chest online. A man would not be so encouraged to do it in the first place, became a mans worth is not placed on his physical attributes the way a woman's worth is in society. A man would not be beaten and publicly humiliated for sleeping with another guy's girlfriend, he'd be f**king high-fived for it.

The denial of misogyny makes me sick.

 

The last part of this article confuses me.

"Instead... We rally around her, publicly decry the man’s behaviour as coercive, criminal. We come together in the public domain to talk about sexism and how it is wielded to remove a woman’s power, convince her that there is nowhere that is safe for her, and shun her in the eyes of the communities on which she depends." I'm confused. Is the author trying to say that this is what happens now or what she wishes would happen? Because it doesn't seem ideal or in line with what the story is saying. Perhaps I'm not reading this properly :|

Amanda Todd.

The man who stalked and shamed this young woman is to blame for most of this; that and the herd mentality.  People do things in a crowd that they woulnd't do alone, and they ignore things in a crowd that would send them looking for the local constabulary if they were alone. 

Add to this the 'slut' label. The young woman was lovely, a fragile young woman.  Since when is a photo of a body part worth this kind of bullying, shaming, and ostracism?  The comments I have seen have been repulsive and misogynist, and the attitudes haven't changed one little bit since I was a high school student fifty years ago.  It's depressing.

Considering that we now have a move to re-open debate on abortion and birth control, it leaves me frustrated and angry.  Every time I think I have hit the limits of outrage, something like this tells me I haven't.

 

 

 

Amanda - as young as she was,

Amanda - as young as she was, was also wise enough to know that she made mistakes!!!!!! Did you not get that part! Now, she made MISTAKES!!!!! So, she should DIE  for them???

All you are doing is proving my point about the feminazi third reich in effect. Maybe if you finished school and learned to read you would be able to grasp comprehension you stupid lamebrained idiot.

Good Lord.. you aren't even AWARE of your own stupidity and hypocrisy :

Should you DIE for mistakes you have made....

oh my goodness  - what is with people

So i should die for having an opinion... but goodness gracious, whats wrong with humanity, huh?

You sound like the bullys that harassed Amanda Todd. I hope to Christ that you aren't a parent. If you are, You should be locked away with other sickos like yourself and have your kids taken away from you.

sad story of Amanda

Alas, nudity or the occasional display of body parts is encouraged all the time on TV and young women get the wrong idea of how they should be behaving.  Note how all the males on TV are dressed conservatively, while the young women are dressed scantily.  The message is: women should look slutty and men should look in charge.

Besides that, men's clothes are better made and warmer than women's clothes, and a lot cheaper, too.  That's a sign of hidden misogyny and disrespect from the offshore companies  who took our manufacturing jobs and took over our governments. 

With our natural resources and manufacturing going to offshore sweatshops, we experienced a systemic lowering of wages and education, especially for women and the kids of poor parents.  I had hopes that there would be more women doctors than men by now (male doctors never listen to female patients, another sign of inherent misogyny), but poverty keeps women in their places as servents, rather than in charge of their own destinies. 

Not all misogyny is as blatant as it was in Amanda's case.  It's hidden, but it has put HUGE roadblocks in female lives.  It certain hampered my life's path, and consequently, my kids' destiny, too.  I felt like Amanda when I was 12-14, until I found rage and shaped it into stubborn persistence to push past some of the female-unfriendly roadblocks.  Even so, I made at least $20,000 less a year than most males doing the same work. 

My kids' father left the country rather than pay any child support.  Pretty rotten example of misogyny, eh?  But it's the norm, alas.  Only 5% of dads pay child support consistently.

Misandry runs rampid when

Misandry runs rampid when women refuse to take responsibility for their actions :


-Letting children have computers and iphones out of sight from parents with no surveilance whatsoever. (BAD PARENTING)

-Not noticing when their kids cry for help in the different ways they do. this was an ongoing thing. HOW THE HELL DID HER MOTHER NOT NOTICE THE SIGNS??? (BAD PARENTING)

- Not teaching her daughter that its WRONG to flash people on cam as a child or a teen (BAD PARENTING)

-NOT sitting down with her child and EXPLAINING the concequences of going online as a naive overtrusting toddler. (BAD PARENTING)

Its SOOOOOO easy to blame "men" when you are a piss poor excuse for a mother looking for an easy way out. If you send a child off into the jungle (the world is a jungle.. lets face it) and not warn them about the lions and tigers (males AND FEMALE predators. yeah i said it. females too!).. what good is blaming the lions and tigers after your kids are already dead? Putting the blame on the lions and tigers only ensures that the lesson wasn't learned and it's guarenteed to happen again. and again. and again. and again. Why deprive your kids of knowing how to survive in this world? Wtf was her mother THINKING??

 

too bad the mother didn't hang herself. that piece of shit parent should be locked up with the bullies for ignoring her daughters cry for help. Anyone who thinks it was only the bullies fault needs their goddamn head examined.

lets blame moms for everything

 

 

 

ohnonotagain wrote:

Misandry runs rampid when women refuse to take responsibility for their actions :


-Letting children have computers and iphones out of sight from parents with no surveilance whatsoever. (BAD PARENTING)

-Not noticing when their kids cry for help in the different ways they do. this was an ongoing thing. HOW THE HELL DID HER MOTHER NOT NOTICE THE SIGNS??? (BAD PARENTING)

- Not teaching her daughter that its WRONG to flash people on cam as a child or a teen (BAD PARENTING)

-NOT sitting down with her child and EXPLAINING the concequences of going online as a naive overtrusting toddler. (BAD PARENTING)

Its SOOOOOO easy to blame "men" when you are a piss poor excuse for a mother looking for an easy way out. If you send a child off into the jungle (the world is a jungle.. lets face it) and not warn them about the lions and tigers (males AND FEMALE predators. yeah i said it. females too!).. what good is blaming the lions and tigers after your kids are already dead? Putting the blame on the lions and tigers only ensures that the lesson wasn't learned and it's guarenteed to happen again. and again. and again. and again. Why deprive your kids of knowing how to survive in this world? Wtf was her mother THINKING??

 

too bad the mother didn't hang herself. that piece of shit parent should be locked up with the bullies for ignoring her daughters cry for help. Anyone who thinks it was only the bullies fault needs their goddamn head examined.

 

I notice that you only blame the mother and not the father.  " too bad the mother didn't hang herself?"  really?

 

This article speaks volumes


This article speaks volumes :

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/rachel-ehmke-13-year-old-_n_1501143.html

for you armchair feminists who never heard of rachel ehmke, she also killed herself before Amanda Todd did because of bullying.

 

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And while she was outgoing, athletic and friendly, the same group of girls reportedly threatened Rachel and kept calling her a "prostitute," though she had never kissed a boy, according to KMSP.

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So.. yeah... How come she didn't get the same publicity?

oh thats right...... because her bullies were not males..

 

Case closed. Step your parenting game up, ladies!

 

 

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fed_up_with_the_bs wrote:

Sad part is... if this was a 16 year old boy who did the flashing and got bullied and killed himself, he would have been called a "sexual pervert" and he "deserved it"...

a girl does it, shes a heroine and / or a martyr. Notice the absence of females saying what she did (flashing online) was "wrong".

None of you. And with that absence, you are opening the door for it to happen to another female child because she doesn't know it's "wrong" cause you won't teach her that it is... and most of you got the nerve to call yourselves "mothers".

Amanda Todd's death is being used as a vehicle for feminazi's political ajendas and misandry ...that is just utterly disgusting. so once again, Amanda's being "used".. but this time by other women for their own selfish reasons.

Shame on you. Let the girl rest in peace and stop trying to politically rape her and scavange her death for fuel to run your  "misandry machine". Shes been through enough.

Stop being a bully.

First off, she was 12 or 13 at the time of the picture. So no, I do not believe that anyone in their right mind would call a 12 or 13 year old boy who showed his penis to an older woman, who begged for it, a pervert. That is a ridiculous statement. Also, no one is saying she is a heroine. She herself was the first to admit that showing her breast was a mistake. However, a grown man stalking a 12 or 13 year old CHILD and asking for indecent pictures of her is a heck of a lot worse than a young girl's mistake to show her breast. She was completely a victim.

Amanda wanted to help people, that was the point of her video. Unfortunately, she could not help herself. So yes, shame on us if we are trying to continue her message and bring awareness in order to help others. 

I don't know why you have this kind of hate towards feminism, but the misogyny and harrassment in this case is another side of the issue that does need to be addressed.

 

No one knows who the attacker

No one knows who the attacker was, so the gender is only implied at this time.

A Little Less Prey, A Little More Princess

I find it sadly ironic that when some of society's "crawlers" posted topless pictures of Kate Middleton (Duchess of Cambridge, wife of Prince William), the world came running to her defense. Saying that, can some one please explain to my why when this young girl was exploited (physically and emotionally) she became the trolls' prey? Just being honest, but if Amanda Todd were my princess, I'd be demanding, "Off with their heads!"

Sexism and feminism

I was surprised to see how much sexism ad feminism played into this article. Of course feminists will take this chance to say what they will and make men out to be the devil however they are forgetting the true aspect that a young girl died because of constant bullying. Yes she made mistakes, but what person hasn't in thee youth. Hopefully a law can be passed for stricter disciplinary action when bullying is proven and evident. Also shame on feminists for making this tragedy a medium for furthering their own agenda.

Rebuttal

Frances wrote:

I couldn't stop cringing every time I heard this lovely girl's choices referred to as "mistakes." We are so limited by judgements. This article opened my eyes to understand my gut reaction. The problem is more than bullying. Girls and women everywhere need to pay attention to the lesson: to not be defined by, or need constant approval of, our appearance in order to feel valued. We are worth so much more than that.

if you saw her video on YouTube she admittedly said these were mistakes she made.

 

I agree wholeheartedly

fed_up_with_the_bs wrote:

Sad part is... if this was a 16 year old boy who did the flashing and got bullied and killed himself, he would have been called a "sexual pervert" and he "deserved it"...

a girl does it, shes a heroine and / or a martyr. Notice the absence of females saying what she did (flashing online) was "wrong".

None of you. And with that absence, you are opening the door for it to happen to another female child because she doesn't know it's "wrong" cause you won't teach her that it is... and most of you got the nerve to call yourselves "mothers".

Amanda Todd's death is being used as a vehicle for feminazi's political ajendas and misandry ...that is just utterly disgusting. so once again, Amanda's being "used".. but this time by other women for their own selfish reasons.

Shame on you. Let the girl rest in peace and stop trying to politically rape her and scavange her death for fuel to run your  "misandry machine". Shes been through enough.

Stop being a bully.

stop using sexism and simply mourn the loss of this young girl

 

“It made me want to take a

“It made me want to take a topless photo and post it online with a statement of protest. Of course, I won't do this..."

Typical feminist hypocrisy. "I'm not exposing my breasts because I'm fully aware of how detrimental that is to my reputation and social status, but immature teenage girls with no access to responsible adults to guide them should totally do it."

That's the problem with political types and ideologues. They'll encourage YOU to do all the things that are bound to advance THEIR ideology/political position that will get YOU in trouble and that THEY don't have the courage to do themselves. Politicians have no empathy or respect for human dignity, and the political party that goes by the name of feminism is not an exception.

Crazy world

Jjaks@hotmail.com wrote:

stop using sexism and simply mourn the loss of this young girl

 

some of the comments here.... i seriously hope you women have no sons. From what I read they would destined for mental torture  

Please, let's not turn this

Please, let's not turn this into an assault on men. This person was not even man. Whoever did this is wretched, vile, malicious and terrible. A Real Man would not do this.

This has nothing to do with feminism. You are exploiting this for your own agenda. When and if they catch the villain, will we explicitly give credit to all of the 'Police Men' who served justice?

Stop playing the gender card.

I think a better perspective would be to explore the possibility of mental and personality disorders. The girl seemed to display symptoms of borderline personality disorder. Perhaps she had it previously, was vulnerable to it, and/or developed it because of these incidences.

A lot of her detractors don't recognize the vulnerability of a child. They make statements about how she should have toughened up. If she had borderline, that is an almost impossible thing to do.

My point is that some people are more vulnerable to the effects of bullying. Educate people that not everyone is that same and that serious psychological  issues can arise from this behaviour.

These events are tragic. I am repeatedly offended at all of the clowns who have posted comments and pictures with zero class. I have even spent a few hours fighting them off, reporting them, banning them and hiding their comments.

It makes me absolutely sick. It's times like now, even as an aetheist/agnostic, that I wish there was a hell to send them to.

My condolences to her family and real friends.

Jjaks@hotmail.com wrote:stop

Jjaks@hotmail.com wrote:

stop using sexism and simply mourn the loss of this young girl



Yake your own advice, feminazi!

Why are there no criminal

Why are there no criminal charges against the man who hounded her to death? Blackmail, stalking, distributing child porn, bullying, cyber-stalking, he hasn't even been named, much less charged  with anything, while the victim was destroyed by those around her. Surely she is not his only victim, who is he?

It's Always Some Man's Fault

Since the person who was allegedly harrassing her on Facebook has never been identified why do you assume it was a man rather than a female posing as a man, or some lesbian predator? In fact, it's more likely it was a female because many of these cases in the past involved females harassing other females The person who hit Amanda was also a female and she did it because she stole her boyfriend. So how is any of this misogyny?

Thank you so much for this

Thank you so much for this post. Thank you thank you thank you.

The Rest Of The Story

What really got Amanda upset wasn't just flashing her boobs but the fact that she learned that she had flashed them to a dyke and was extremely embarrased by this, as any Normal young girl would be, and that someone would find out about it. It would be as disgusting and upsetting as if a boy had flashed his dick to some homo believing it was a girl. As we all know, lesbians are constantly trying to groom young 13 yo girls, as seen in the Vagina Monologues where a 13 yo girl is raped by an old dyke. btw, this disgusting play was scheduled to be performed at a college near me by I managed to obtain an injunction from a judge to stop it the day of the performance on the grounds of obscenity, child porn and corrupting the public morals. And although the actress that was going to play the part of the 13 yo was 18 I still managed to argue at the hearing that she  appeared much younger and the play should be stopped. In fact, I used the same argument that wacko feminists use when they want to ban some porn film because the girl "appears" to be under 18. Good going girls because your misandry over the years has created a legal system that we will now turn against YOU. Within two years feminism will be dead and you prune faced man hating spinsters will just be a big joke and laughing stock, as you were in 1970. It's now come full circle.

Dirty Dyke

globe of frogs wrote:

Why are there no criminal charges against the man who hounded her to death? Blackmail, stalking, distributing child porn, bullying, cyber-stalking, he hasn't even been named, much less charged  with anything, while the victim was destroyed by those around her. Surely she is not his only victim, who is he?

It was a dirty dyke responsible for all of this and yes she  should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and imprisoned for many years.

animals devoid of all human emotion

globe of frogs wrote:

Why are there no criminal charges against the man who hounded her to death? Blackmail, stalking, distributing child porn, bullying, cyber-stalking, he hasn't even been named, much less charged  with anything, while the victim was destroyed by those around her. Surely she is not his only victim, who is he?

This was going on for 3 years. They can not identify and locate the perpetrator. Until we know who did this, let's refer to them as 'the person' or possibly even 'the people'. This could be anyone, including a group of teenage girls (like the one's who physically assaulted her). Probably a more descriptive term would be 'the animal(s) devoid of all human emotion'.

 

First off, R.I.P. to Amanda

First off, R.I.P. to Amanda Todd. Let me get that out the way first.

So.. from what the news has said,... she killed herself.

key words : "She" and "Herself"

SHE... killed.... HERSELF.. (and even have proof that she did it to herself while no one else was present)

But the feminists are looking for the "man" to blame for all of this. Not the mother who ignored all the ongoing signs that something was horribly wrong with her daughter.. they want to spare her.. and look for a MALE to put all the blame on.

Thats like losing your car keys in London, England... but looking for them in California because it's sunnier there and the lighting is better.


I can now understand why most of you mothers are single. Hopefully your kids do better than your failed attempt at being a human.

 

missing link

"The most effective presentation I have seen is one by a group called LOVE because it is real, artistic, and cool, and they actually talk about racism, poverty, and sexism."

What about a link to this group - sounds like an important link to share but was missiing from the article.

"We rally around her,

"We rally around her, publicly decry the man’s behaviour as coercive, criminal. We come together in the public domain to talk about sexism and how it is wielded to remove a woman’s power, convince her that there is nowhere that is safe for her, and shun her in the eyes of the communities on which she depends."

As I've stated previously, we don't know the identity of the perpetrator. My thoughts are that it was most likely a male, but we don't know.

Secondly, Amanda was the target of bullying at school and had no friends. I'm willing to bet, that other girls exercised extreme emotional abuse on the poor girl. Females can be malicious to each other, using emotional attacks and cause a lot of psychological damage. How many girls called her a slut?

The typical reaction of most males to this incident, are had they known, they would have immediately rushed to her defense. It has even brought a tear to their eyes. Men are just as angry and upset as anyone over this.

After the initial attack, the continual cyber-stalking could have been anyone with access to the original photo that was distributed. It could have been an individual or a group.

The photo was the source of the damage. Most of the real damage was caused by the bullying at school. I'm not going to target females as misogynists, because of the acts and words of a few stupid girls towards her.

This was a mass fail of civililization and society as a whole. The majority have now risen up and shouldered this together, albeit too late. It is more important that we all unite to end this behaviour, regardless of gender.

I also noticed in her video

I also noticed in her video explaining what happened, she got jumped by a gang of girls. Direct quote from Amanda Todd's video : ("So she did.. she threw me to the ground and punched me several times...")

Now, unless those girls were men dressed up as girls (highly unlikely, as Amanda Todd would have explained that in her video if that was the case) then all we have as evidence so far that the only people who physically assaulted her thus far were FEMALES. (And we all know how "catty" women are by nature)

Nobody hypnotised her to kill herself or used a Jedi mind trick on her so lets write that off completely as it's just absurd.

So far, the only people around her that are suspects in her death are :

1) Her mother (they interviewed the "mother".. meaning she was responsible for her well being.)

2) The girls that openly jumped her at school and physically assaulted her.

3) Amanda Todd herself. (even though it's known she killed herself and caused herself bodily harm with cutting, bleach drinking..., im sure the feminazis still won't acknowledge this and are looking to blame someone else..  which is why i provided #1 and #2 because those are more likely the culprits)

Conclusion : 1, 2 and 3 are all females.


Feel free to hate on the truth all you want. The truth is still the truth.

 

 

Amanda Todd death

Hear Amanda Todd's death is a big disaster in our society. It seems as everything is corrupted. it supposed that after our thanksgiving day all of us have given thanks to the Lord for all that we have, doesn't matter if it good or bad. They are parts of our lives. And we must love our lives, doesn't matter what happend around of us. This situation is a clear demonstration as our society lost the human rights and values ( and I'm not blaming the Amanda's action only). If people focus their lives in worthty things, this death and other never had happened. Amanda was a new victim and we have the responsabilty to stop the next ones, not only through the stop-bullies champain, but improving our human values and claiming the human rights against the systemic sexism. This is the key to honor the Amanda death.

If the roles were reversed...

Honestly, I don't agree with this article at all. I don't think we can keep saying that what happened to Amanda was due to sexism. She didn't kill herself because they posted the picture online, because I'm sure if the people in her school tried to help her when this happened she wouldn't have had such a huge reaction to the picture. This man uploading a picture was a big factor of what happened, but this isn't a story about posting a picture online. This is a story about bullying, or it should be.

And Amanda Todd was bullied by both girls and boys, we can't just blame one gender. And as it seems in the video, there is a lot of bullying that happened by girls to her. And the reason Amanda took her own life wasn't because there was a picture online of her breasts, it was because people would not leave her alone about it, people kept bullying her to the point where everything seemed hopeless. This was not a sexist act, she did not take her life because of one gender and we cannot pin a suicide down to one event, down to one person or even one gender.

Please, let's not turn this into an assault on men.

In regards to my post "Please, let's not turn this into an assault on men."

More people actually disagree with this statement than agree? Wow! There is more wrong with society, than I had originally thought.

Why isn't anyone talking about the matriarchy involved...

Why isn't anyone talking about the Matriarchy involved in Amanda Todd's life and death After all, it was fellow female students and peers who emotionally destroyed and devasted her selfworth and esteem.

The Feminist Groups also completely failed. They can not even control or teach their own gender to embrace their brethren. Men would never do this to each other, as they have a strong sense of brotherhood, loyalty and honor!

I have seen many statements on the internet from young boys and men, who would have gladly stood up to protect her. On the other side, I have seen statements from other girls calling her a slut and whore!

When will females learn to embrace each other, instead of  Kitty Kats competing for the role of Alpha Female? Why are women so mean to each other?

***Please Note the Irony***

And tomorrow, we will blame the Jews!

Jason Bryan response

StopIt JustStopIt! wrote:

Jason Bryan wrote:

I'll flash my cock right now to prove that no matter what sex you are, people will call you horrible names for exposing your body.

TELL YOU WHAT- THIS is not the time and place ya goof, go find a more appropriate place, hhhm, say, like a porn site ok?  byebye good lord! unreal

Sorry darlings ...you missed the point of Jasons statement...he is not trying to be inappropriate or show disrepect for Amanda ...all he is saying is that no matter the Gender ..our society labels a person for straying from what people consider to be acceptable in our society... or what our society considers right and proper behavior. sadly ,no gender is excluded ... It is time we as a society of Inelligent ...caring people .. mature and stop Labelling people..but instead wonder what is behind this behavior..do not ridicule your child and call them weak or a sissy because they can't take it ... a child of Amandas age needs guidance ... needs love and understanding...these children do not come into this world with a manual of rights and wrongs!!! They need to be taught gently what is aceptable in this society...they need to be taught right and wrong .... It is so sad that now after Amandas death there is so much talk about right and wrong..about what is acceptable and what is not ... about Sexual Preditors and placing blame ... No matter what is said nothing will ever bring Amanda back... How can you expect a child ..any child to accept responsibility for their actions when the one's who are supose to protect..cherish and Teach refuse to accept responsibity for their actions ... we as a society are too busy chasing the almighty dollar to take the time to teach our children anything ...(God gives us a pure clean slate with every child born ) what is written on that empty slate depends on us as adults and Parents.... Walk with the Angels ..Amanda ... for now you have found the peace in Heaven you did not find here on earth .... \

News flash

It blows my mind how ignorant some ppl on here are. Did you know that women and girls can also be bullies towards other girls, due to internalized patriarchy? This phrase is used in the original article... It's a really good idea to think before posting comments... No one is blindly blaming MEN, there's this thing called patriarchy which women are not immune from either. It is patriarchal to slut-shame girls. How is this so difficult to understand?

"Crime" is the word finally

"Crime" is the word finally popping up. Kids can be little mean jerks, thats for sure, i remember junior high all too well. But the people involved in taking pics or vids (child pronography) and trying to use them to get her to do things (blackmail) and then chased her to torture her and destroy her sense of self (harassment)...those are 3 pretty hefty charges. Why haven't they been tossed in jail?

 

Amanda Todd's death

The following is for clarifying some concepts about sexism and the original article question:

Sexism, also known as gender discrimination or sex discrimination, is defined as prejudice or discrimination based on sex or gender; or conditions or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex. Sexism is often associated with gender supremacy arguments in either men or women. If sexist attitude (hate) is against female is called Misogyny. If it’s against male is called Misandry. If it’s against Intersex is called Misandrogyny. If it’s against Transsex is called Cissexism. If a male threats other man or woman because he or she invaded his privacy this is a sexism fact. Or if a women threats another woman or man because she or he invaded her privacy this is a sexism act. Now it’s very clear that this death had involved sexism circumstances. If all of you read again this article, also it’s clear that its writer is talking about misogyny performed for a man, it never blamed to men in general. If the article is well read here there was a trust worth value fail. The involved man was a betrayer since he received from his partner in love one of the most beautiful gift sharing her intimacy. Any valuable, honest and gentleman guy when received this special gift from your partner in love must save it as valuable treasure non-shareable with anybody. This is one of the facts that we need condemn. This is the question of this article. And also this is the opportunity to remind all people, woman and men, boys or girls, gay or lesbian, please don’t be a bastard, respect intimacy that it was given to you in trust. Please be honest with the partner in love. Grow up in human values and love each other without problems. Love is the most beautiful gift from the heaven and share it in the right way is our challenge. Open your brain. And please no more systemic sexism. Thanks

"Bad parenting"

ohnonotagain wrote:

Misandry runs rampid when women refuse to take responsibility for their actions :


-Letting children have computers and iphones out of sight from parents with no surveilance whatsoever. (BAD PARENTING)

-Not noticing when their kids cry for help in the different ways they do. this was an ongoing thing. HOW THE HELL DID HER MOTHER NOT NOTICE THE SIGNS??? (BAD PARENTING)

- Not teaching her daughter that its WRONG to flash people on cam as a child or a teen (BAD PARENTING)

-NOT sitting down with her child and EXPLAINING the concequences of going online as a naive overtrusting toddler. (BAD PARENTING)

Its SOOOOOO easy to blame "men" when you are a piss poor excuse for a mother looking for an easy way out. If you send a child off into the jungle (the world is a jungle.. lets face it) and not warn them about the lions and tigers (males AND FEMALE predators. yeah i said it. females too!).. what good is blaming the lions and tigers after your kids are already dead? Putting the blame on the lions and tigers only ensures that the lesson wasn't learned and it's guarenteed to happen again. and again. and again. and again. Why deprive your kids of knowing how to survive in this world? Wtf was her mother THINKING??

 

too bad the mother didn't hang herself. that piece of shit parent should be locked up with the bullies for ignoring her daughters cry for help. Anyone who thinks it was only the bullies fault needs their goddamn head examined.

1) Why is this all about *women* refusing to take responsibility for their actions? Have you ever heard of a *male* parent, called a father? I only watched Amanda's video once, but I got the impression her parents were separated or divorced and she was living with her dad when it started. (She talked about moving to her mom's place.)

2) What makes you say nobody noticed? Amanda said in her video that she was seeing a therapist (or psychiatrist - can't remember, exactly). Her parents were *trying* to help.

3) Why do you say that nobody talked to her about the consequences of going online, or that flashing the camera was a really bad idea? She did it - that doesn't mean nobody ever told her not to. If you think 12 and 13 year olds always listen to the adults around them, you're living in a fantasy world.

There is no evidence that bad parenting played a part in this. There's *lots* of evidence that sexual predators and bullies did.

Missing the point

fed_up_with_the_bs wrote:

Sad part is... if this was a 16 year old boy who did the flashing and got bullied and killed himself, he would have been called a "sexual pervert" and he "deserved it"...

a girl does it, shes a heroine and / or a martyr. Notice the absence of females saying what she did (flashing online) was "wrong".

None of you. And with that absence, you are opening the door for it to happen to another female child because she doesn't know it's "wrong" cause you won't teach her that it is... and most of you got the nerve to call yourselves "mothers".

Amanda Todd's death is being used as a vehicle for feminazi's political ajendas and misandry ...that is just utterly disgusting. so once again, Amanda's being "used".. but this time by other women for their own selfish reasons.

Shame on you. Let the girl rest in peace and stop trying to politically rape her and scavange her death for fuel to run your  "misandry machine". Shes been through enough.

Stop being a bully.

I think the point is that a girl bearing her breasts shouldn't be looked down upon. The girl shouldn't be bullied, and neither should the theoretical boy in this case. 

 

Facts and consequences

If you really want to break it down and see why the bullying happened its only  fair we look at all the causes because if we go out to the world and preach to them Amanda was in no way at fault for what happened then nothing will get fixed well just end up with kids having a disillusioned sense of reality. 

Facts:

a girl flash a man online. 

A man distributed her chest ppictures

girl was ostracized by her peers for actions girl. 

A girl commits suicide because of the bullying from peers and man.

we must condem and teach that this mans behavior was unacceptable, and also offer support for him as I'm sure he has his issues and reasons as well for ending up the way he has. But we must also not shy away from the fact that a girl, by nobody's choice but her own, decided to bare her chest online while full well knowing the consequences of showing herself on the Internet.  

The only question I had at the end of this article was, where was her parents and family throughout all of this?

Feminists

feminists....the most accomplished whiners in the world.  Manage to take all dignity from a girls death. 

 

 

"full well knowing"? "Where were her parents?"

Ben Giesbrecht wrote:

we must condem and teach that this mans behavior was unacceptable, and also offer support for him as I'm sure he has his issues and reasons as well for ending up the way he has. But we must also not shy away from the fact that a girl, by nobody's choice but her own, decided to bare her chest online while full well knowing the consequences of showing herself on the Internet. 

Really? How do you know she "full well" knew the consequences. She was 12 or 13 (I don't know which, but she was in 7th grade). At 44, I wouldn't have necessarily predicted that a predator would track me down and distribute my pics, let alone trigger an avalanche of bullying. Why would you expect someone to be able to anticipate it at 12 or 13 years of age?? She was a child.

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The only question I had at the end of this article was, where was her parents and family throughout all of this?

Do you have some kind of evidence that they weren't present? People told her to drink more bleach next time. They beat her up, on school grounds, in front of multiple spectators, who then walked away and left her there. A sexual predator destroyed her life, because she wouldn't give him "a show"...and you're upset with her *parents*??

What, exactly, should her parents have done that they didn't do? (Before answering, keep in mind that you have no idea what they did or didn't do to help her.)

Cultural signs

The 1990's were an extremely emasculating time for men. Metrosexuals, advertising mocking men, female empowerment seemingly at their expense. But over the last 5-10 years, men (this is a gross generalization, but still valid) have rediscovered how to take that power back. They call us whores. A woman/girl who does ANYTHING even slightly sexual is instantly labelled a whore. It allows them to look at her as less than human, thereby enabling them to feel superior.  Anything that happens to her, she deserves. "It's not us guys, it's not our fault, she's a slut". It's how they make themselves feel like the masters of the universe again. Our societal balance is badly messed up...mark my words, male viciousness and dehumanization towards women is only going to get worse.

Dignity

Ben Giesbrecht wrote:

feminists....the most accomplished whiners in the world.  Manage to take all dignity from a girls death. 

I'm not a feminist, but I do wonder what dignity you think there is in suicide over bullying and sexual harrassment.

How to talk about Amanda Todd's plight

Many of the people commenting here are missing the point of this article.  We have to start talking about what happened not in terms of what Amanda did, but in terms of what others did. 

The person who convinced her to expose her breasts committed a crime - sexual exploitation of a minor.  It doesn't matter how willing she was - just as it doesn't matter in more overt sexual crimes against children like rape - anyone who draws a child into a sexual activity is committing a crime. 

The re-posting of her photo is also a crime - distribution of child pornography.  It's importatnt to note that everyone, no matter what their age, who re-posted the photo can be charged with this crime.  After that, the ongoing communication and threats over the internet via Facebook and other social media was criminal harassment, maybe even stalking and blackmail.  The beating at school was not bullying - it was assault. 

Some commenters have pointed out that both boys and girls harassed and assaulted her over the years - Amanda says it was girls, not boys, who physically assaulted her.  

Misogyny means the hatred of women.  Anyone who understands misogyny knows that we're not just talking about male misogynists when we talk about misogyny - we're talking about a much larger cultural problem with how women and girls are viewed - and how women and girls view themselves.

There has been almost no discussion about the crimes that have been committed.  There's been no discussion about how Amanda's exploitation is just one tiny blip in the massive explosion of child pornography on the internet which feeds a growing male audience worldwide.  We're not takking about whatmen and boys need to do so that the horror stops.  There's been almost no discussion about how the male parallel of this situation is the horrible assaults and harassment in high schools suffered by gay male teens and the too frequent resulting suicides.

Girls that have suffered sexual exploitation and then public shaming and gay male teens have something in common.  They are not seen as conforming enough to a social structure that is largely built on a male perspective.   

The girls who assaulted and harassed Amanda did so within a culture that accepts their behaviour to a great extent.  We don't focus on what they did - we focus on what Amanda did.  We don't call it assault or criminal harassment - we've given it a nice soft name - bullying.  We are not talking about WHY they did what they did.  We're talking about how Amanda admitted she made a "mistake".  We're not talking about the timelessness of this kind of hate towards women from other women - as vicious now as it was 2000 years ago.  Instead, we're talking about how the mother should have done a better job of monitoring her daughter.

We have a big problem - and we're not really talking about it.  We just want to kibbitz about what Amanda and her mother should or shouldn't have done and make plans for more facile anti-bullying campaigns in schools. 

I like this article because at least it's a start on really talking about the mess we've created. 

What a slut!!! Why bother

What a slut!!! Why bother defending such a little attention whore?

If amanda todd was black,

If amanda todd was black, this would never have made the news and since "feminism" is a "white middle to upperclass privelage" thing, this article wouldn't exsist either.


Where were the white feminists when Don Imus called us "Nappy headed hoes"?

 

Thought so. You all stayed quiet like church mice.

 

 

Wow

Why turn this into an issue about race?  Open your eyes.

Amanda Todd was Aboriginal. 

Amanda Todd was Aboriginal. 

Blaming misogyny vs. Blaming men

I know it is a somewhat tricky distinction to make, but blaming the SYSTEM that devalues women and promotes the idea that they are inferior to men is NOT THE SAME THING as blaming all men. 

Many men are feminists. And many women enforce sexism and misogyny. 

So, defensive dudes who are upset about the idea of blaming misogyny for the bullying that led to Amanda Todd's suicide, lighten up! IT'S ACTUALLY NOT ABOUT YOU. You are not the patriarchy. 

 

Unless you want to be. Then you can be the patriarchy, just like the boys and girls who made Amanda Todd feel like she was completely worthless because she was a "slut," or, in other words, because she was a girl who exhibited sexuality that didn't fit the patriarchal mold. 

About race and other things

It's also true that women of color are at higher risk of sexual exploitation, sexual assault, and rape than white women are. Disabled women, they are more at risk than able-bodied women. These are all issues that we need to deal with. And yes, it is sad that people notice and care more about the death of a pretty young white girl than they would about a pretty young black girl. Yes, feminism has had its problems with race issues and there's womanism and trans-feminism and all kinds of problems to address. I don't resent people bringing race into it. When an 11-year-old Latina girl in Texas was found to have been repeatedly gang-raped by a group of local boys and men, the news media and the local people they interviewed took the tone that she had brought it on herself because she wore makeup and dressed like a 20-year-old, so they said, and voluntarily hung out with those boys. That story was one of the few about a girl of color to get attention in the past few years. And yet this happens literally every day, hundreds of times a day. It's a huge problem, this culturally encoded contempt and hatred for women and girls, and when it's coupled with contempt and hatred for people of color, or queer people, or people who are disabled, or transgender people, the result is a toxic brew of dehumanization that creates the perfect opportunity for a sexual predator to take advantage and get away with it. We need to resist the dehumanization and the urge to create the illusion of safety for ourselves--victim-blaming creates a false sense of security. If she did something wrong, then all we have to do to avoid being victimized is act differently than she did. The reality is that it's the predator who is the determining factor. And we, as a culture, need to stop creating situations that make it easy for predators to exploit marginalized people. We need to take responsibility, stop victim-blaming, and take away the myths that those predators hide behind. 

Bullying

barb Levesque wrote:

The beating at school was not bullying - it was assault. 

<snip>

We don't call it assault or criminal harassment - we've given it a nice soft name - bullying. 

I agree that what Amanda was subjected to was criminal. I agree that the perp who sent her picture around should be charged. I agree that the underlying attitudes about women that permeate this entire situation are completely screwed up.

I disagree that "bullying" is a nice soft name. People don't understand bullying, so they say stuff like this. Bullying *is* assault. Bullying *is* criminal harassment. It's not a soft name. It's a label for an overall pattern of behaviour that can include physical and psychological abuse of various kinds...sometimes sexual, sometimes not. "Bullying" is not a soft term. People just don't want to acknowledge that bullying isn't simply calling someone a name or teasing them a bit.

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It is a double-standard

To all the people who wish to self-righteously proclaim how she brought this on herself.

I remember when I was in school, on the last day before summer break, a bunch of jocks - standing in front of the school, in plain view of everyone, kids, teachers, and people on the street, and mooned the school.

Everyone laughed and thought it was funny, adults included. They were never shamed, called names, harrassed or extorted over it. I remember one of them asking if anybody had gotten a picture, and could they get a copy.

Now, change the picture a little.  What if instead of guys it had been girls flashing their chests?  Imagine the difference in the reaction.

Weather she made a mistake or not is beside the point.  She absolutely did not deserve what happened to her.  When a child makes a mistake, this is not how it is supposed to be dealt with.

I'm a little disgusted that everyone is letting the pedophile off with a "well, what did you expect?" after he extorts and harrasses her for his pleasure, while expecting a 13-year-old child to have maturity and decision making abilities of an adult.  It's like we expect adults to act like children, and children to act like adults.  

She was a child.  The adults around her were supposed to protect her.

I'm also worried that we lumped things such as assault, harrasement, extortion and distribution of child porn all under the heading of "bullying."

 

Seriously?

Ben Giesbrecht wrote:

If you really want to break it down and see why the bullying happened its only  fair we look at all the causes because if we go out to the world and preach to them Amanda was in no way at fault for what happened then nothing will get fixed well just end up with kids having a disillusioned sense of reality. 

Facts:

a girl flash a man online. 

A man distributed her chest ppictures

girl was ostracized by her peers for actions girl. 

A girl commits suicide because of the bullying from peers and man.

we must condem and teach that this mans behavior was unacceptable, and also offer support for him as I'm sure he has his issues and reasons as well for ending up the way he has. But we must also not shy away from the fact that a girl, by nobody's choice but her own, decided to bare her chest online while full well knowing the consequences of showing herself on the Internet.  

The only question I had at the end of this article was, where was her parents and family throughout all of this?

I find it a little odd that you want to talk about what a naive young girl did to bring this on herself, yet when talking about the guy who distributed the pictures for the sole purpose of hurting her, you want to offer "support" for his "issues."

Seriously?  C'mon now...

 

 

Definitions

Milano Lekensa wrote:

Can we please stop just thowing this word around? Do you call a woman a misandrist when she bullies or belittles a man?

Sorry, but systematic misandry does not exist. There has been no historical systematic oppression against men.

When a woman bullies or belittles a man, that is an act of prejudice against that particular man. While still not right or okay, it doesn't affect other men. I don't suddenly feel unsafe walking alone at night or in certain situations.

The main difference is that women face daily pressures and oppression that men in general simply have not come to know. There is a privilege men have in society that must be recognized and checked.

 

If amanda todd was black

angryblackwoman wrote:

If amanda todd was black, this would never have made the news and since "feminism" is a "white middle to upperclass privelage" thing, this article wouldn't exsist either.


Where were the white feminists when Don Imus called us "Nappy headed hoes"?

 

Thought so. You all stayed quiet like church mice.

 

 

THANK YOU! that is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO TRUE!

Another totally appalling thing to take note of is there is a feminist organization called "slut walk" that will be marching & protesting in the street searching for justice in Amanda Todds death.

http://www.facebook.com/SlutWalk


Think about it for a second. they called it "SLUT WALK"  (really? "Slut walk"?? wtf) and they'll be doing it in the name of Amanda Todds death... the same feminists who say Amanda Todd wasn't a slut are now marching the street praising & flaunting the name "SLUT" in the name of her death. So basically they are giving off the message that Amanda was a slut, but only women are allowed to say it.. (didn't her female bullies call her that?) and its a "praise" not an insult unless men say it??

White feminists are the most dumbest, most stupid and ass backwards organization since christianity. Black people don't walk the streets in a "N*gger walk" because they know it gives off the message that anyone is allowed to say it then backpeddal and make excuses after the damage is done. Matter of fact, the last "slut walk" they had in the city was all white females (no black women).. one of them was a white girl holding a sign that says "Men are the n*ggers of the world" with a big old grin on her face.

http://www.womanist-musings.com/2011/10/dear-slutwalk-woman-is-not-nigger-of.html

Who the hell gave that middle/upperclass white girl the permission to use the word "n*gger?? at a white feminist march called "Slut walk"?? But yet men aren't allowed to use the word "slut"? See how backwards feminism is? How DARE you compare the word "Slut" to the word "nigger". if i see a white feminist using the word n*gger around me then saying "psst its ok.. we get called worse", she better know how to run real fast in the opposite direction.

 

 

 

 

Amanda Todd

I hope the piece of dirt that threatened her with the picture is caught and I also hope that his name and address is posted so that some good old backyard justice can be done. Someone must know how to find out who this guy is. I personally will pay 100$ if some one can tell us this guy's name and where abouts. Troy Hayden P.S. I wish I knew you Amanda so that I could have been there for you. "Those Whom The Gods Love Grow Young" ~Oscar Wilde

In this day and age, is it

In this day and age, is it not possible to track IP addresses and find out who it was that caused all this to start...isn't that one way they find pedophiles...that man or "boy" who coaxed her to take the picture should be punished...

Author hijacks tragedy for her own agenda?

I agree with almost everything the author posted here, but saying that people's reactions to this tragedy reveal hatred of women is not just unfair - it is taking advantage of this poor girl once again.

 

I know that some (strong word) people have been extremely cruel both online and offline, but to say that their behaviour is indicative of society in general hating women is a stretch beyond belief.  I am part of society and I do NOT tolerate their behavior - and reading through the posts here will reveal that many of us ARE behind the family and want swift harsh justice for the perpetrator.

 

Of course people react to say this girl shouldn't have posted photos of herself naked on the internet.  I think any parent would be upset about this whether it was their son OR daughter!  That isn't sexism - it is about sexual propriety and self-respect (and perhaps about leaving your teens unsupervised with a webcam).  Don't hijack this issue to push your agenda - support the family and punish the perpetrator, the society I live in doesn't want that guy around.

 

No, we can't

Milano Lekensa wrote:

Can we please stop just thowing this word around? Do you call a woman a misandrist when she bullies or belittles a man?

This kind of comment completely ignores the power imbalance at work here. Men hold a stronger position of power and influence in our society. "Misogyny" doesn't just happen in single instances of a man bullying a woman. It is a systematic power structure, embedded in centuries of tradition and cultural norms, that manifests itself in incidents like what happened to Amanda. There is no equivalent systematic structure of misandry in our society.

This was actually my second

This was actually my second thought when reading about her story; another reminder of the unimaginable cost of humanity's illness. Contempt for women hides everywhere in our society, no less a tragedy being how many girls and women it infects, and the way it skews ones appreciation of self-worth. This has always needed to be addressed--more so all the time. I like to think that the real answer to such imbalance is to find a way to get people to see that we resolve these dangerous flaws in society's fabric by working together, not by increasing division and keeping everyone at each other's throats--that's what got us here. The person who wrote this article meant to get us talking and keep these concepts alive in our minds, because we never could afford to bury and dismiss them; not to get our fists flying so we'll waste a bunch more time in unecessry conflict while more girls and women feel the things Amanda did. Facing society's ills isn't self-indictment, it's the first step toward meangfull, vital change. My first thought reading her story was wondering how a young girl who obviously had such a big heart and the world just waiting for her could be left feeling so hopeless and alone. I can't change the way society is so badly misaligned, but I'm scratching my head trying to find a way to spread the message that there is always hope, that there is always someone who cares, who will do anything to help, with complete acceptance and never a trace of judgement. We're focusing on Amanda, but let us remember how many are vicitmized by this type of thing, every day, all over the world. Imagine if the bridge between that help and those who need it got as much attention in the press as the horror of the predator who led Amanda into the social wilderness of alienation, separating her from the herd to destroy her at leisure. It may be too horrible for most of us to accept, but it happens all the time. While we're busy arguing and belittling one another's thoughts, all I can think is that nothing we can do or say will ever bring that girl back to where she belongs. Trying to find answers and looking for someone to blame just isn't enough to make that stop hurting. It's a testament to her value and the weight of her loss that she is mourned around the world by generations of people who never had the blessing of meeting her. I hope I'm not the only one who refuses to let the sorrow of that loss fall into the abyss, when it could lead to real change and a necessary step forward in humanity's growth. Amanda took the first step for us, now it's our turn. Peace to all.

Because that would be sexist.

The main reason I'm not talking about it is because it undermines any difficulties that men go through when being bullied. There are several boys that commit suicide every year due to this and they are not getting any press. Part of it is that they are not photogenic. The second someone tries to trun this into a feminist cause half the population gets shut down and then forgotten. That would be a grave mistake. The photo attached is one I saw circulating today... as a quick example. http://www.facebook.com//////#!/photo.php?fbid=328574427240438&set=a.290454384385776.59641.289337027830845&type=1&theater

Excellent Post, Compelling...

Excellent post, well thought-out.  I still contend that it is up to parents to instill sexually conservative values in their girls (and boys) and teach them to say no to predators, no to peers, no to in-groups, and yes to Jesus.  The bible says to turn the other cheek, which translated essentially means to make it difficult for one's opponent to harm you (turning the other cheek would make the aggressor strike with the other hand, which was equivalent to insult).  Part of healthy boundaries is to cut ties with toxic people. If saying no would have cost her social status and notoriety, she would have lost favor with toxic people she does not need in her life and she would have grown-up surrounded by healthy people who do not live by social darwinist laws of the jungle.

Sexual sin is one of the most destructive kinds.  It wasn't exposing herself to the man that was destructive, no, it was agreeing to partake in his sexual sin that was destructive.  I believe the best way to avert such a disaster is to start by teaching your children that the gospel is life and that anything that contradicts the gospel is death.  Teach them to recognize what is Christ-like and what is not and then teach them how to reject and cut-ties with anything that is not of Christ.  For Christ is Love as God is Love.

I believe that focusing on combatting sexist and misogynist societal values in order to protect young women is ineffective.  What is effective is focusing on Christ-likeness on a daily basis, which will ultimately result in the eradication of misogynist values.  For there was not one misogynist bone in Christ's body, not one.  And everything that Christ spoke of was of protecting the weak, feeding the poor (both in body and in mind), and rebuking sin (or those things that lead to death).

Resources?

I was wondering if anyone had a link to the group Ms. Jiwa mentioned in talking about effective anti-bullying groups?  I've tried searching for them, but haven't been able to find a page.  I'm a high school teacher who would greatly appreciate more constructive resources to combat these problems. 

@Jonathan Neufeld

What makes you think that instilling sexually conservative values gives someone the ability to say no to predators and peers? Predators are just that - predators. The early teens are a hard time, and a person's ultimate values (in many arenas, not just sex) aren't even close to being cemented yet. Sexually conservative girls are preyed upon, too.

Absurd.

Milano Lekensa wrote:

Can we please stop just thowing this word around? Do you call a woman a misandrist when she bullies or belittles a man?

Do you honestly not see the gendered aspect of her bullying and the importance of its societal context?  Women and men are not on remotely equal footing yet, especially when it comes to sex, and that MEANS something. The fact that you'd compare this whole tragic story to a woman "belittling" a man doesn't exactly make you look reasonable. It makes you look like the kind of person who trolls the internet looking for places to complain that not enough attention is being paid to the real victims--straight, white men.

By the way, if you don't consider a man who flatters a 13-year-old girl into flashing him and then begins a campaign of stalking and slut-shaming her--following her for years, from school to school--a misogynist, what is exactly IS he?  

 

We are in denial. Whenever someone points out injustice, we hate them, we hate the messenger.  Participating in the game is a device to avoid seeing the violence that is all around us.  It is mob rule through unexamined fear, because the ruling principles and ideology is misogynist, misanthropic and nihilistic.  The operating systems under which we cower are designed to keep us, the members of our fractured and broken civil society, in fear and feeling powerless. Corporate funded media glorifies all that makes humanity appear brutal, unreflective, violent and primitive.  http://jacksonmeadvickers.blogspot.ca/2011/10/bullied-to-death.html

 

I was a 6th Grade Slut

I was bullied for being a slut, too, throughout middle school. I decided to publish my diaries from that time in order to draw attention to this issue - it speaks volumes about our culture and how it could lead to something like this. I hope it will be enlightening for adults to read in the primary source of a 6th-grader's diary thoughts I never would have shared at the time: http://6thgradeslut.tumblr.com/

 

I went through the same at around age 17...

but I was already out of school by then. A photographer got me drunk and talked me into posing for him topless. He was very manipulative and knew exactly what to say and do. I woke up the next morning and fled, mortified. I was mortified for years. This was before the Internet, never mind Facebook and social media. I also didn't have a peer group, but still had social ties, and of course, worried about employers or colleagues finding out. No one ever did and I was spared. I can only imagine the agony that Amanda Todd went through being constantly reminded and slut-shamed.

What Misogyny?...

I wanted to start this comment by sending my deepest condolences to Amanda’s family and by condemning the repugnant behavior of her tormentors. Why hasn’t there been more discussion about the role of misogyny? Because it didn’t play a role! (at least not in any non-trivial sense—i.e. bullies ‘hate’ their victims and will use whatever strategy works to emotionally manipulate them which of course varies depending on whether you are a male or female). It seems like the implied central thesis of this article is it’s all the fault of heterosexual men (not an uncommon theme in contemporary feminist literature). It’s as if they get together on the weekends, twiddle their thumbs and plot the next best way to objectify women. Even the girls who did unconscionable things to Amanda are implied to be victims to our culture which is unilaterally controlled, surrounds us like a gas, manipulates us like mindless puppets, and somehow begets itself. This article also seems to imply that the female bullies, by virtue of being female, should have been more sensitive and understanding to Amanda. I think everyone who bullied Amanda has to take responsibility for their actions, whether they were male or female, and to blame this on a systematic hatred of women is ridiculous. I think this is symptomatic of some strains of modern feminism that go so far in blaming and externalizing women’s issues, that they effectively absolve women of any responsibility. I think this amounts to treating women like children and should be offensive to women and feminists alike. The progress made by feminists in the last century in many parts of the world has been among the crowning achievements of the human species, but I can’t help feel like they have gone astray as of late. They kind of act like they are running a religion where likeminded people get together to create a relatively monolithic entity, swear to uphold central inviolable axioms regarding the roots of their problems, and polarize the issue into a ‘you’re either with us or against us mentality.’ That’s not how successful intellectual discourse is conducted and it’s counterproductive to gender equality. Are women sexually denigrated to an extent unseen in men? Definitely. Is this due to a systematic hatred of women? Of course not! There are plenty of complex biological and cultural factors at work here (including female psychology and neurophysiology) and I think that externalizing this as misogyny is not only close to baseless, it is intentionally manipulative. I think both men and women face issues regarding their body image, social status, bullying, and sexuality. In fact, men reportedly commit suicide more often than women in the western world. Is this a result of culturally driven stereotypes of tall, strong, intelligent, charismatic, heterosexual, and wealthy men? Even if one does want to externalize such issues to this extent, I would find it hard to conclude that this is a manifestation of misandry! (which would essentially mirror the logic of this author). Sorry, if that came out in a long-winded fashion, it’s really not meant to be as emotionally charged as it sounds. I just feel like we could make more progress in obtaining equality for men and women if we were to change the tone of this discussion by dealing with these issues in their full complexity and being more open to the diversity of opinions that exist.

What an excellent, important

What an excellent, important article. Jarrah Hodge forgot to mention the influence of this unfortunate, new breed of celebrities: those who turn into stars because they release their own sex tape (i.e., Kim kardashian), not to mention those who intentionally post nude photos of themselves for the entire world to see, because they can feel their celebrity beginning to fade.  How confusing it is to be a girl in a society where kim kardashian is glorified. Girls are taught that yes, in order to be popular, desired, and worthy, you should enhance your sexual desirability. They are taught that kim kardashian and paris hilton are "sex symbols" and therefore role models. And yet, when girls satisfy a man's sexual interest/desire in order to feel beautiful and loved, they are called whores, sluts, and any other name intended to keep women down. What a contradiction. Women are supposed to be both hypersexual, yet virginal; 'airbrushed' perfect, yet natural; sexy, yet innocent; 'thin', yet curvy; 'hot' but the kind of girl you can bring home to mom; smart, but not too smart. For crying out loud! I'm exhausted just thinking about it. 

This article really helped me to take a deeper, clearer look at myself. To the women reading this: almost ALL of us are guilty of being both brainwashed victims AND CONTRIBUTORS to this culture of female hating. We criticize other women for the most ridiculous things: what they're wearing, how they do their makeup, how much cellulite they have, how fat they are, how many fine lines or wrinkles they have on their face, how short their dress is, how "ugly" they are, how many guys they have slept with, I could go on forever. And yet, ironically, we have the nerve to lament being subjected to the very pressures that we subject our fellow females to. When we criticize a woman for such things, we forget to realize how deeply connected we are to that woman through a shared desire to feel loved and worthy.

From here on in, I vow to never call another woman ugly. I vow to never criticize a woman for her sexual behaviour, not even the very celebrities who symbolize the problems with a male-driven culture, for they, too, are victims. I promise to give women the same respect and immunity from criticism that I have given men up until now. 

I am pessimistic about the possibility of culture-wide change, but that doesn't mean I have to be a part of this culture any longer. 

Amanda Todd Article -Misogyny

"This man’s intention, when he threatened Todd with exposure of the coercive images, was to make Todd feel like a whore."

I think the words the author intended was "child slave".

 

Teach our children to take responsibility

I believe a major lesson to be learnt here is that we all must take responsibility for our actions and involvements in our own lives. Notithe bullying is most certainly not her fault and action needs to be taken to curb these activities. But, as I teach my children who were bullied, you have to take responsibility for your part, do not give the bullies extra to feed off. Be yourself  and nothing more. 

The group Anonymous

The hacking group "Anonymous" claims on Twitter to have found out who the individual allegedly responsible for causing all of Amanda's sad sad story.. CKNW had a reporter trying to talk to him.. a 32 year old!!!!

This Guy is So Done...

Here's the YouTube Channel narcissistic sociopath who did this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS-0Xp1JjBU&list=UUaPyW6Or0S3M1_BVJWO0uWQ&index=5&feature=plcp&t=77s

This video dated Dec 20, 2010 has Amanda in it. His other videos reveal that he is into young girls, blackmail, exploitation, etc. Anonymous has posted his name and address. He better turn himself in, I think he'll live longer that way.

Congratz Feminazi's, this guy is the definition of a misogynist. I'm guessing that he offs himself tonight.

Oh No

This is so wrong.  I am not a mysogninistic old man; in fact I am a broken young woman who was Amanda Todd at her age to a T.  Boy, do I wish SOMEONE had ever cared enough about me to give me some boundaries, to tell me to STOP my destructive behavior instead of just ignoring it or trying to justify it.  I have no love lost for the older men who took advantage of me when I was young; they are filthy scum.  However, it really kind of pisses me off when so-called "feminists" try and take away from us the only power we have, which is our power of self-control, instead preferring to turn women into victims of men.  Does that really make you guys feel good about yourselves?  I am in no way blaming Amanda Todd for her own death, but it really makes me sick that you guys think it's helpful for young women to propogate the culture that destroys us by making us think it's OK for some reason not to respect ourselves.  

reply

Jason Bryan wrote:

I'll flash my cock right now to prove that no matter what sex you are, people will call you horrible names for exposing your body.

Perhaps you will be called horrible names. But would the community around you completely shun you for doing so? And to the same extent if you were a young woman? I'll let you be the judge of that. 

 

The fact that someone could

The fact that someone could take an issue has horrible and as sad as this one and use it to advance their feminist agenda is disgusting and one of the most outrageous acts of so called journalism I have ever seen. I have seen many things in my life but nothing so horrible as the video she made, and how the system we have let her down. This did have something to do with her sex, but the worst offenders in this case (other than the boy who posted the picture who should be criminally punished) were other girls. Please do not use this as a tool to advance your private hate for men. You should be shamed and publically embarrassed for your lack of judgement. Please do not use this poor girls horrific experience, you are just as bad as the bully who used that poor girl. 

Cappers

There is a YouTube Channel dedicated to Cappers. These 'Cappers' enter chat rooms, encourage young girls to do this kinda stuff, screen capture it and then blackmail the girls.

They did this on a continual basis. They would purposely break the girls down, make them cry and laugh at them. This behaviour is suggestive of Narcissistim and/or Sociopathic traits.

I hope that they all go down. For the people who have questioned the infamy of Amanda's death, here is proof that it does matter. These rotten bastards have been exposed.

Huh?

Um, no to Keith Maillard's obscure take on this issue. Not a chance that's what went on.

No boys controlled us girls when we were in highschool. You know why? Because they couldn't: WE WOULDN'T PUT OUT. This is how we kept our power. If you wanted "access to girls" you simply talked to her. The fact that there are now teenage "gangs" just means adults need to monitor the kids more, in order to prevent "Lord of the Flies" situations. You do not let kids rule other kids.

Us girls were not so strongly, emotionally attached to guys because we weren't boinking them. Ahh, but some girls were.

These were the maladjusted "cool" girls. They were the ones getting into fist fights, drinking way more than anyone else, and the slightest thing seemed to make them angry. We noticed they really hung onto the guys who were their boyfriends.

I'm not talking about morality here either. If you look at the girls putting out, you'll see that over and over again, they're also the ones who don't feel good about themselves. You find the same thing with boys to some extent as well, although they tend to project the disgust they feel for themselves onto the girls instead.

Parents who are involved with their kids, who are there to monitor extra-curricular activities, tend to produce well-adjusted kids.

The statistics are there to support what I've said.

You do not let a teenager, whose brain is literally still under construction, (the most important part, the pre-frontal lobes) figure these things out for themselves.

You have to be there for these kids. Quantity time matters just as much as quality time.

 

Keith Maillard wrote:
Thanks for the article, Krissy. What's already been said is true: calling it "bullying" aims attention in the wrong direction, as though it's a personal defect, that all we have to do is convince the bullies of the error of their ways and all will be well, but that is not the case. What is going on is systemic--it's about children and teenagers having to deal with a brutal and sometimes deadly game that's played in the hell holes of contemporary high schools. It's about power. It's about boys controlling girls... and controlling access to girls. The girls who form "mean girl" groups are doing so to protect themselves. The system requires that not only do you form alliances for self-protection but that you bully other people. Only a small number of kids can opt out of this. As long as it's called simply "bullying," nothing will change, ever, ever. The violence, of course, is aimed not only at girls but at anyone who violates gender conventions. Teens themselves have to create an alternative, and we who have survived this shit have to do all we can to help them. Is it any wonder that The Hunger Games is such a huge success with teens, particularly teen girls? The story is about a girl who has to fight for her life with thousands of spectators watching while somebody else defines her sexuality. Isn't that a perfect metaphor for high school?

Definition of Feminism

Reading the above comments, it becomes clear that there is a painful lack of understanding of feminism and misogyny.  Scholar bell hooks said it best when she defined feminism as "a movement to end sexism, sexist exploitation, and oppression."  This does not mean male bashing, but rather to bring awareness to the systemic sexism and oppression built into society's institutions, applying to gender, race, class, sexual orientation, etc. How we are socialized from a young age, both boys and girls, means we can ALL be guilty of sexism and oppression, including women, without our awareness.

The author of this article is merely pointing out the contradictions that most people, especially youth, face when not conforming to society's "expectations".  For example, the sexualization of young girls in the media, yet the expectation (as mentioned by many posters above) that young girls should know better than to expose themselves.  Whether we define this as a "mistake" or not, one can surely recognize the conflicting messages that young people face today, and such actions at the young age of 13, is more an indication of the messages our youth are receiving, rather than cause for vilification.

I LIKE TURTLES

I like turtles.

 

Yup i do. Turtles are great! :D

I am so sick of hearing how

I am so sick of hearing how horrible her "bullies" were. Do you forget what it was like to be 15? Try to remember for a second being 15 years old and having a boyfriend. Then this girl comes along and sleeps with him. I don't care who you are, at 15 you would have called that girl a slut for sleeping with your boyfriend, and you most definitley would have called her that more than once. And if you were more popular than her, your friends would have called her that too. And then you find pictures of her showing off her goodies to randoms on the internet. You are going to use that against her to further affirm that she is a slut, and more than likely all of your friends, and their friends, and their friends friends are going to agree with you. I'm not saying Amanda Todd was a whore that deserved to die. I'm just saying, at 15 if some stupid girl had sex with my boyfriend, I would have made her life a living hell too. And I doubt they really thought she would kill herself, and I am sure these kids are pretty scared and upset now that she has. Judging by her actions, she was a bit of an attention whore. I'm sure when she tried to kill herself the first time, they all assumed she was just looking for more attention.

These are 15 year old kids and they are immature, and they handle their relationships in an immature way. Hell, I'm 24 and if some girl slept with my boyfriend and then I found pictures of her online, I'd STILL probably call her a slut and use them against her. Not because it's the right thing to do, but because it would humilate her, and the boyfriend who cheated on you with a slut, and maybe make you feel better for a minute.

The fact is Amanda made a mistake. A mistake she wouldn't take responsibility for. Did she ever apologize to her "bullies" for hurting them? Instead of crying about all the horrible things they were saying to her, why didn't she say "You're right. I acted like a slut and I'm sorry. I'm sorry I slept with your boyfriend. I did these things BECAUSE...." People are pretty forgiving when you can at least acknowledge that what you did was wrong.

While I see a victim in Amanda Todd, I only see it that way because the "bullies" went overboard. But her "bullies" didn't kill her. They were hurt by her actions and they covered that up with anger. This little girl took her own life because she couldn't handle the consequences of her actions. It doesn't make it any less tragic, but it does make her death her own fault. I would hope that if she couldn't accept responsibility for her actions, she could at least accept responsibility for her death.

 

Pfft

This is bullshit. The whole thing is baised completely to the fact that she was a girl and if it was guy it wouldn't of happend, which could be completely untrue. All the article brings accross is that men don't get bullied and only women do, which is utter crap.

Thank you for publishing this

Thank you for publishing this article. 

I feel like I'm the only one talking about the role gender played in her death--not the bullying. 

It's a joke that women are the most cruel to other women; that we nurture the sort of sociological tightrope that makes many women feel that they must put out an image of hyper-sexuality concurrently with hyper-chastity. 

Have we learned yet (like in this perfect example from Alice Moran ow.ly/dm2gj) that how we dress and where we go doesn't provide context for a sexual attack? No? Why not?

The onus for ending misogyny doesn't rest solely on women. It's time for men to take a stand--not to 'defend' women's rights (we don't need to be defended or protected for Pete's sake!) but to eschew these ideas that women can and should be sexualized and that sexuality exploited.

Again, thank you for posting this article. I'm glad I'm not the only one fuming about this issue.

Amanda's plight

old-fashioned as this sounds this is the reason my son never got a cell phone - peoples lives r very busy but a phone is never far away .I only use mine 4 traveling . I know many arguments r about this .just my opinion.if a call is important enough leave a message or call back .

From my experience in high

From my experience in high school, girls bullied other girls the most, and were the ones "slut shaming" each other, not guys. 

Amanda Todds'

"May she rest in Peace, you are one beautiful angel that is flying high free from judgement. Pray for us down here as we try to figure what role we all play in a death such as yours and others who left us like Amanda!    The cowards who taunted you, remember, that Karma does come around, maybe not with you but you will have families yet too come.  Remember the role you played,  cowards when the time comes for payment!

 May the Creator forgive us all!  

Miigwetch Gima kwe from the Three Fires Confederacy of Wikwemikong Unceded Reserve.

Gender inequality, sexism

Gender inequality, sexism when women don't like it, chivalry when they do.

 

The issue of Amanda Todd, as sad and regretful as it may be, is not a stepping stone for your personal feminist agenda, please out of pure human respect for her family and friends, do NOT utilize this to further your own cause.

RE: The last part of this article confuses me.

Confused wrote:
I'm confused. Is the author trying to say that this is what happens now or what she wishes would happen? Because it doesn't seem ideal or in line with what the story is saying. Perhaps I'm not reading this properly :|

I was confused at first too. Isolate just this part and it makes more sense:

"sexism... is wielded to remove a woman’s power, convince her that there is nowhere that is safe for her, and shun her in the eyes of the communities on which she depends."

The author is saying we should rally behind Todd, decry the man's actions, and come together to talk about how sexism leads to shunning and those other points stated above. Not that we should shun Todd and make no place safe for her.

It is comprehensible, but perhaps the author could have worded it more clearly.

 

 

insecure on both sides

Sick of Misandry wrote:

fed_up_with_the_bs wrote:

Sad part is... if this was a 16 year old boy who did the flashing and got bullied and killed himself, he would have been called a "sexual pervert" and he "deserved it"...

a girl does it, shes a heroine and / or a martyr. Notice the absence of females saying what she did (flashing online) was "wrong".

None of you. And with that absence, you are opening the door for it to happen to another female child because she doesn't know it's "wrong" cause you won't teach her that it is... and most of you got the nerve to call yourselves "mothers".

Amanda Todd's death is being used as a vehicle for feminazi's political ajendas and misandry ...that is just utterly disgusting. so once again, Amanda's being "used".. but this time by other women for their own selfish reasons.

Shame on you. Let the girl rest in peace and stop trying to politically rape her and scavange her death for fuel to run your  "misandry machine". Shes been through enough.

Stop being a bully.

THANK YOU! I was going to post something like this as well. I'm sick of seeing everyone blaming "the big bad man" as if Amanda Todd and other females in this story are completely and utterly innocent.

What these people do is disempower women. It's everybody else's fault. Was it Amanda's fault for CHOOSING to sleep with a boy? Of course  not! He's male so therefore he's to blame.

Hell, look at Amanda's video for proof of what these feminists are doing to girls. She said "He hooked up with me"

It wasn't "We hooked up". It wasn't "I hooked up with him". It was HE hooked up with me. It was HIS fault that she slept with him.

She is not completely blameless. The guys in this do not hold ALL of the blame. There are other girls who probably hold the lions share of the blame when it came to the actual bullying aspect of what happened. There is lots of blame to go around in this story. So stop using other people's tragedy as your soap box.

 

 

I don't know how to explain to a man the insecurity that girls and women go through during adolescence--much the same a boy or man would find it difficult to explain their struggles to a woman. The fact that the above commentators feel as though Amanda is underserving of this "martyrdom" is irrelevant. The fact that she was a girl is irrelevant EXCEPT for the fact that this sexualisation and treatment of women is a common theme in our society. She was coerced into believing someone who disarmed her and took advantage of this. She was young, and impressionable and ACKNOWLEDGES that she made a mistake. So many many many girls and women make these mistakes everyday in high school, college and into adult life and yet are publicly not assaulted and made to feel like they ought to kill themselves. Boys and men make mistakes too, but are less often shamed for it, especially if it is sexually-related.

Amanda made a mistake similar to ones that a lot of people make in their lifetime--yet why was she bullied to death for it and not allowed to learn from it like the rest of us?

You cannot possibly say she is to blame. She meant no harm to anyone and the actions of her aggressors were well beyond what society should ever want.



So which is it?

She was 'manipulated and slut shamed'. Slut shaming implies she has agency. Manipulation implies she does not. Which is it, Krissy?

Yeah, you're not reading properly

[quote=Confused]"Instead... We rally around her, publicly decry the man’s behaviour as coercive, criminal. We come together in the public domain to talk about sexism and how it is wielded to remove a woman’s power, convince her that there is nowhere that is safe for her, and shun her in the eyes of the communities on which she depends." I'm confused. Is the author trying to say that this is what happens now or what she wishes would happen? Because it doesn't seem ideal or in line with what the story is saying. Perhaps I'm not reading this properly :|[/quote

If you read this quote in context you will see that it was referring to the way the author wishes the scenario had played out. Before the line you quoted was the line:

"Imagine a different reaction."

Then your quote was followed by the words:

"We can do this next time. A different ending is possible."

You're wrong, completely wrong

So Krissy Darch and Fazeela Jiwa, you're saying this is all about sexism and misogyny, right?.

It's been many years, I was a little boy, and I'm not gay, but that didn't stop my bullies. It almost cost me my life, twice.

Bullies know who to bully. They choose the "weakest" person (in terms of ability to defend himself/herself). They don't need a particular event to start bullying, they will find it, or even fabricate it.

No, this is not about sexism and misogyny. Sadly, Amanda is no longer with us, but if you want to do something about it, learn what bulliying is about and stop exploiting the already wasted word "misogyny".

Another attention whore down the drain

Ashley Milbury wrote:

It's vital that we look more at the gendered power dynamics involved in bullying. The crimes committed against Amanda Todd were both adult and misogynist and our response to her death must reflect that.

Another attention whore down the drain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OdQGbVNa4

 

Just plain bullying

In case you haven't noticed, Amanda Todd was bullied by girls just as much as by boys.

 

This isn't about some imaginary "misogyny". It's just bullying, which can be done by anyone.

sick of emo cowards

Anonir88484884 wrote:

The fact is Amanda made a mistake. A mistake she wouldn't take responsibility for. Did she ever apologize to her "bullies" for hurting them? Instead of crying about all the horrible things they were saying to her, why didn't she say "You're right. I acted like a slut and I'm sorry. I'm sorry I slept with your boyfriend. I did these things BECAUSE...." People are pretty forgiving when you can at least acknowledge that what you did was wrong.

While I see a victim in Amanda Todd, I only see it that way because the "bullies" went overboard. But her "bullies" didn't kill her. They were hurt by her actions and they covered that up with anger. This little girl took her own life because she couldn't handle the consequences of her actions. It doesn't make it any less tragic, but it does make her death her own fault. I would hope that if she couldn't accept responsibility for her actions, she could at least accept responsibility for her death.

 

 

A-MEN!

Too many feminists putting themselves in the shoes of Amanda but they fail to realize the "other" victim that they should put the shoes on for size.. the girl who was the gf of the boy that Amanda Todd slept with. She was a victim who got hurt because of Amanda's selfish decision and negligence/ignorance. Sure, the guy was guilty too, but theres enough blame to spread around so Amanda is equally as guilty as the boy. She consented to the sex. He didn't "rape her".. she slept with him on her own free will. Did she really expect that there would be no concequences for this slutty whorish behavior? get real!!!!

She killed herself because she chose not to face reality when shit hit the fan. She refused to accept responsibility and took the cowards way out with no apology to the people she victimized. And she hurt her family by killing herself. Didn't bother thinking to herself what kind of pain she would be inflicting to her family by commiting suicide. (also why i hate emo kids who do the same shit. COWARDS!)

Only feminism itself is selfish enough to reward this behavior with tears, sympathy and a heroine gold medal.

No tears shed here. Shes no hero to me.

A young girl has sex with a

A young girl has sex with a taken boy - she's a slut. She shouldn't be allowed to have sex with whoever she wants. She shouldn't be allowed to showcase her body. That makes her less of a human.

 

A young boy has sex with a taken girl - she's a slut. She shouldn't be allowed to have multiple partners.

 

Whatever happens, she ends up the slut.

 

That's what makes me so frustrated with this current social standard.

Slut-Shaming

EvilPundit wrote:

In case you haven't noticed, Amanda Todd was bullied by girls just as much as by boys.

 

This isn't about some imaginary "misogyny". It's just bullying, which can be done by anyone.

I think you might enjoy this read. It was misogyny from the females, too, but this started out as a man getting what he wanted from a young girl, using the social media expectations of girls as leverage. That's how it STARTED, but the misogyny was continued by both boys and girls alike.

http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2010/04/04/what-is-slut-shaming/...

still not the same

Jason Bryan wrote:

I'll flash my cock right now to prove that no matter what sex you are, people will call you horrible names for exposing your body.

 

Yeah people will call you horrible names for exposing your body regardless of gender but strangely enough unless your female then the people calling you these names probably weren't the ones encouraging you to expose your body just moments prior.

 

I don't feel the Amanda Todd case is different from the other numerous and increasing cases of bullying that leads to self harm and suicide. The fact is that she made the decision to expose herself on a website without due thought to the effects of her actions. Of course this was instigated by a sexual predator but again I see no misogyny, because there are predators preying on young boys as well as young girls. And the bullying aspect of her story is not necessarily misogynistic either; her decision to expose herself made her stand out from the playground crowd, just as sexuality and disability do for countless other young people, male and female alike. This isolated her and made her an easy target for bullying. There is not misogyny in this story, there is only young teenagers with increasingly easy ways to bully and harass through technology who felt that their cyber bullying gave them an anonymity which absolved them of wrongdoing. 

Missing the point .

StopIt JustStopIt! wrote:

Jason Bryan wrote:

I'll flash my cock right now to prove that no matter what sex you are, people will call you horrible names for exposing your body.

TELL YOU WHAT- THIS is not the time and place ya goof, go find a more appropriate place, hhhm, say, like a porn site ok?  byebye good lord! unreal

Yet he's completely right .  Has anybody praised him for it ?  Does anybody expect him to be praised for it ?  In both cases the answer is no .


Now , I can see that nobody is going to like what I'm about to say based on the voting system around here but I'll say it anyway :  This is not an example of misogyny .  People just throw that word around as though it applies in any given situation where a female is involved .

You can take any word you like and provided you do enough mental gymnastics you can probably make it apply .  Certainly this is a tragedy but misogyny ?  Nobody hated her because she was female .  Hate didn't seem to figure into the equation actually .  Disrespected , definitely but not hated . 

What is that I hear?

fed_up_with_the_bs wrote:

Sad part is... if this was a 16 year old boy who did the flashing and got bullied and killed himself, he would have been called a "sexual pervert" and he "deserved it"...

a girl does it, shes a heroine and / or a martyr. Notice the absence of females saying what she did (flashing online) was "wrong".

None of you. And with that absence, you are opening the door for it to happen to another female child because she doesn't know it's "wrong" cause you won't teach her that it is... and most of you got the nerve to call yourselves "mothers".

Amanda Todd's death is being used as a vehicle for feminazi's political ajendas and misandry ...that is just utterly disgusting. so once again, Amanda's being "used".. but this time by other women for their own selfish reasons.

Shame on you. Let the girl rest in peace and stop trying to politically rape her and scavange her death for fuel to run your  "misandry machine". Shes been through enough.

Stop being a bully.

The tiniest violin in the world playing sadly in the background for "men's rights" idiots.

From a former teacher.

Child pornography is illegal. Even when a child is taking pictures of themselves. In the United States, the punishment for this type of behavior is heavy; more so than the murderers and the swindlers.

I have taught my students that taking nude self portraits or provocative pictures of themselves invites only trouble for them and the people they care about. This is proof of what I was trying to say.

This situation is comparable to a bunch of underage kids drinking the night away then getting in a car to sneak back home only to discover that a concrete wall and/or massive tree 'simply wasn't there!' costing their lives.

The problem lies with the fact that much of today's society do not feel that kids should be accountable for as much as they should be. How do we expect to raise responsible adults if they aren't accountable for anything they do?

Tsk.

Feminist does not mean Sexist.

Keri wrote:

fed_up_with_the_bs wrote:

Sad part is... if this was a 16 year old boy who did the flashing and got bullied and killed himself, he would have been called a "sexual pervert" and he "deserved it"...

a girl does it, shes a heroine and / or a martyr. Notice the absence of females saying what she did (flashing online) was "wrong".

None of you. And with that absence, you are opening the door for it to happen to another female child because she doesn't know it's "wrong" cause you won't teach her that it is... and most of you got the nerve to call yourselves "mothers".

Amanda Todd's death is being used as a vehicle for feminazi's political ajendas and misandry ...that is just utterly disgusting. so once again, Amanda's being "used".. but this time by other women for their own selfish reasons.

Shame on you. Let the girl rest in peace and stop trying to politically rape her and scavange her death for fuel to run your  "misandry machine". Shes been through enough.

Stop being a bully.

The tiniest violin in the world playing sadly in the background for "men's rights" idiots.

Careful, woman. You're being a sexist and not a feminist...Careful!

It is idiots like you that keeps this patriarchial society afloat. Why should we replace the patriarchial system with a matriarchial one? Equality, I understand; however, replacing one oppressive system with another is equally as bad.

Go get therapy.

what feminists and misogynists agree on

Keith Maillard wrote:
Thanks for the article, Krissy. What's already been said is true: calling it "bullying" aims attention in the wrong direction, as though it's a personal defect, that all we have to do is convince the bullies of the error of their ways and all will be well, but that is not the case. What is going on is systemic--it's about children and teenagers having to deal with a brutal and sometimes deadly game that's played in the hell holes of contemporary high schools. It's about power. It's about boys controlling girls... and controlling access to girls. The girls who form "mean girl" groups are doing so to protect themselves. The system requires that not only do you form alliances for self-protection but that you bully other people. Only a small number of kids can opt out of this. As long as it's called simply "bullying," nothing will change, ever, ever. The violence, of course, is aimed not only at girls but at anyone who violates gender conventions. Teens themselves have to create an alternative, and we who have survived this shit have to do all we can to help them. Is it any wonder that The Hunger Games is such a huge success with teens, particularly teen girls? The story is about a girl who has to fight for her life with thousands of spectators watching while somebody else defines her sexuality. Isn't that a perfect metaphor for high school?


Keith, you need to know that you are talking about a small group of kids, usually the "cool" crowd, who generally show problems coping with their environments. 

I can tell you that no boys had control over the girls in my highschool and I'll tell you why: in the '70s, us girls were not drinking a lot, doing drugs, or putting out for anyone. The guys couldn't get it from us, so they were forced to be human and talk to us instead; it worked, too. They were great to be around!

Amazing what happens when you don't promote casual sex as being harmless to the human spirit.

The feminists get pretty warped about this because they want us to be able to have sex like men ie: no emotion. We girls wanted it the other way around, you see: we wanted the men to have sex our way, with total emotional involvement. The best quality guys do just that.

When guys become whores, they tend to project their own disgust onto the female, resulting in the male invention of a "bad reputation" (the religion of islam took this male disgust to the extreme). This is part of what happened to Amanda. It was bullying in a particularly virulent misogynistic form.

It's important not to shame a girl who is sleeping around. Chances are she's having serious issues in her life. There's no question that Amanda is not to blame for her actions. In fact, she was an impressionable child.

You can talk to kids until you're blue in the face, but in the end, kids will watch how their parents treat eachother and repeat the behaviour.

What happened to Amanda was in no way her fault; that goes without saying, or it should! The question is how to protect girls from exploitation.

Amanda Todd had no clear boundaries and drew no line in the sand with guys. Somewhere in her life, she learned that her deepest intuition about her own needs didn't matter as much as someone else's desires. She learned that this is the only way you get attention from guys. Where did she learn that?

That kid was suffering big time. And now, so are her parents.

Teenagers are a different breed, and as much as they hate it, helicopter parenting them is not such a bad idea given all the crap that's out there today. Kids hide their feelings well, though. They act tough when they feel most like hell. It might have been hard for her parents to know how bad off she was, I mean she seemed to be getting better.

She is okay now, though...it is for the rest of us to learn all we can from this.

Nazi's

Compare it to the Nazi's.

Told they needed to act a certain way

Do certain things

Be certain things

Still the result of a tragedy

Still fully responsible.

The sad part of this story is the fact that people can treat people like dirt; her death isen't even sombering.

 

The suicide is completely on her, noone made her do it.

Her actions are still her own, the same as any other person who's screwed up and ruffled some feathers.

 

Somewhere in the 3rd world,

Somewhere in the 3rd world, there are kids dying because they can't get food to eat or shelter.. let alone afford a computer.

meanwhile somewhere in "canada" some middle class privelaged white girl was "bored" enough to flash her boobs online like a spoiled attention whore then kills herself because she didn't like the results.

oh dear..  rich white girl problems. be still my heart.

*rolls eyes*

Changing the future.....

Parenting is the most difficult job out there and yet you do not need an education to be a parent. Learn as you go so to speak!  Once I read a profound quote from a book which has some significance to Amanda.  "Perhaps it is possible to discover more in silence than in speech.  Or perhaps it is only that those who are silent among us learn to listen."

To me this is not not just cowardly bullying via text messagaging and other insensative comments. It is a form of torture and therefore should have some criminal involvement. One thing these bullies do not understand is; when they become adults, what profound effect it will have on them knowing they were involved in an innocent child losing her life. Bullies in general really need to look in the mirror and have a really good talk with themselves to find out the rout of their problems so then can be addressed. They will never heel in their hearts or find piece with themselves until they do. coming from the heart, to say"I love myself" in the mirror takes a lot of courage. It is harder to love than it is to hate, but is well worth the the reward in the end. To know you you can turn your life around every minute. It is never too late.

This is coming from a victim of poverty and abuse who did say "I love myself" in the mirror. It was the begining of my new life. 

Evidence please?

There is call here to combat misogny. Where is the evidence it was male bullying that led to this tragedy?

Where is the evidence

Stublore wrote:

Where is the evidence it was male bullying that led to this tragedy?

So far all they have is a lead from a group of hackers who dont have the cajones to show their face or give their names.. who are also being hunted down by the govt for other crimes.. and they posted a few names online which they "believe" are the culprit. (at least one of the names have been proven to be wrong thus far)

No actual hard evidence.. just wild guesses and a lot of fingers  being crossed.

I'm sure they are going to put the blame on someone and convict / charge them weather or not they have the right person or not... but you can be guarenteed that the girls who beat her up will be spared of any punishment.

 

RCMP confirm that the names

RCMP confirm that the names given by the hackers were false.

http://o.canada.com/2012/10/17/anonymous-accusation-of-amanda-todds-stalker-is-false-rcmp-say/


Go after the girls who physically attacked her already! You are looking for a needle in a haystack otherwise!

 

Oh, the irony...

ohnonotagain wrote:

Misandry runs ramp[ant] when women refuse to take responsibility for their actions :


-Letting children have computers and iphones out of sight from parents with no surveilance whatsoever. (BAD PARENTING)

-Not noticing when their kids cry for help in the different ways they do. this was an ongoing thing. HOW THE HELL DID HER MOTHER NOT NOTICE THE SIGNS??? (BAD PARENTING)

- Not teaching her daughter that its WRONG to flash people on cam as a child or a teen (BAD PARENTING)

-NOT sitting down with her child and EXPLAINING the concequences of going online as a naive overtrusting toddler. (BAD PARENTING)

Its SOOOOOO easy to blame "men" when you are a piss poor excuse for a mother looking for an easy way out. If you send a child off into the jungle (the world is a jungle.. lets face it) and not warn them about the lions and tigers (males AND FEMALE predators. yeah i said it. females too!).. what good is blaming the lions and tigers after your kids are already dead? Putting the blame on the lions and tigers only ensures that the lesson wasn't learned and it's guarenteed to happen again. and again. and again. and again. Why deprive your kids of knowing how to survive in this world? Wtf was her mother THINKING??

 

too bad the mother didn't hang herself. that piece of shit parent should be locked up with the bullies for ignoring her daughters cry for help. Anyone who thinks it was only the bullies fault needs their goddamn head examined.

I find it interesting you don't mention her father at all, given the topic of this article.  I believe that Amanda stated in the video that she 'went to live with her mother and things got better'. This leads me to believe that she was living with her father when it first started. (Which is neither here nor there, imho.) As for your points...

- Internet access without parental supervision, I agree - age dependent.  At 12, the opportunity for that picture to take place should not have happened. 

- There are thousands of parents in the world asking themselves why they didn't see the signs. Plus, she had supports in place, her parents were aware and took the steps necessary.

- Not warning about the dangers... I would imagine like all parents, they did.  My parents told me not to have pre-marital sex...

 

I have a solution...

I feel bad for Amanda. Poor girl didn't deserve to be treated like this. I have a suggestion. Try Asian parenting methods, your kids will redirect their interests towards more useful pursuits like attaining a good education instead of being obsessed about getting a guy's attention and their social life.They won't have time to bully weaker kids, load up on make up at such a young age or go on internet chatrooms to meet men. The poor parenting skills in American society has caused the young generations to degenerate. Instead of bashing Asian parenting methods, why not give it a go. The discipline that Asian parenting instills in children draws clear boundaries for them - something that is vital in the era of pervasive technology.

parental responsibility

[quote=Angel]

I find it interesting you don't mention her father at all, given the topic of this article

[quote]

I find it even MORE interesting how the news never interviewed him either. Or how the articles never mentioned him.

But It's easy to figure out. Lets not be naive here. Feminists don't give a rats ass what the father thinks or what he went through. A girl died. They only care about the mother has to say. Which is why he was left out of the interview.. and other interviews.

That places the parental responsibility on the mother. She was responsible for her well being.

So, yeah... you were saying...?

 

 

 

 

things didnt get better for amanda

 

Quote:

I find it interesting you don't mention her father at all

 

I believe that Amanda stated in the video that she 'went to live with her mother


Looks like you answered your own question. She lived with her mother... therefore, her mother was solely responsible for her well being.

Quote:

and things got better'.

 

Oh really? things got "better" huh? Lets ask amanda if things got better as you say..

 

Oh wait.. shes dead. Looks like being with her mother made things worse. The proof is in the end results.

 

And to quote thetruth if i may :

 

Quote:

So, yeah... you were saying...?

 

 

 

Actually...

fed_up_with_the_bs wrote:

Sad part is... if this was a 16 year old boy who did the flashing and got bullied and killed himself, he would have been called a "sexual pervert" and he "deserved it"...

a girl does it, shes a heroine and / or a martyr. Notice the absence of females saying what she did (flashing online) was "wrong".

None of you. And with that absence, you are opening the door for it to happen to another female child because she doesn't know it's "wrong" cause you won't teach her that it is... and most of you got the nerve to call yourselves "mothers".

Amanda Todd's death is being used as a vehicle for feminazi's political ajendas and misandry ...that is just utterly disgusting. so once again, Amanda's being "used".. but this time by other women for their own selfish reasons.

Shame on you. Let the girl rest in peace and stop trying to politically rape her and scavange her death for fuel to run your  "misandry machine". Shes been through enough.

Stop being a bully.

actually, what you said about a lack of women saying what she did was wrong is very untrue. There are people all over the internet saying she deserved it because she's a slut, and a picture circulating facebook calling her a dirty whorebag. Just take a look on tumblr or reddit... some of the things said there are sickening.

And the difference is that a boy wouldn't get coerced into flashing his penis, and even if he circulated it himself, he wouldn't be called a slut, or a whore. He'd be considered a hero for having the guts to do that. When I was in middle school, a guy who was a complete nobody did that and he suddenly became the coolest kid in school. Young men don't face the same pressures that young women do.

Her name was Amanda Todd and

Her name was Amanda Todd and she died from bullying.  It's very saddening to see feminists jump on this story and use it to push thier agenda.  You don't think boys are bullied?  You don't think girls bully girls?  Girls can even bully boys believe it or not.  This is one story that had a sexual element to it and a man was involved.  Lets not run off and assume this is always the case because it isn't.  There are many different ways both sexes get bullied.  I refuse to turn this into a story of all males are bad and all women are good and somehow victims of the males.  That is just ridiculous.  Rest in peace Amanda xoxoox

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Girls can even bully boys believe it or not.

 

This statement will probably be erased by the moderators (being that this is a feminist website that refuses to aknowledge the truth and would rather sweep it under the rug), but i stand by that statement 100%


I've seen girls bully boys younger than them for no reason plenty of times, i've also seen full grown adult women make boarderline psychotic misandry sites calling for the death (yes, "death") of random men who did nothing to them. i'm sure some of them actually carried out their mission at some point.

Feminism isn't what it used to be. The organization nowadays  is run by paris hilton-esque rich, selfish, vain, confused, catty spoiled brats with close to no general education, accept no responsibility for their actions and recruit peanut gallery soldierettes to blindly follow them. It's like a religion now. (and we all know how religion works on blind faith and no evidence)

if you're going to blame anyone for her death, blame YOURSELF for ignoring bullying in general and refusing to acknowledge it when it happens or do anything about it until it's too late..

Blaming "misogyny" is like putting a band aid on a severed arm. Simply not good enough.

How many more Amanda Todds must die because of the ignorance that feminism teaches? Wake up!!!

 

 

tiniest violin

alexx wrote:

Young men don't face the same pressures that young women do.

 

The tiniest violin in the world playing sadly in the background.....


*rolls eyes*

Being 15 isn't an excuse to be a bully.

Anonir88484884 wrote:

I am so sick of hearing how horrible her "bullies" were. Do you forget what it was like to be 15? Try to remember for a second being 15 years old and having a boyfriend. Then this girl comes along and sleeps with him. I don't care who you are, at 15 you would have called that girl a slut for sleeping with your boyfriend, and you most definitley would have called her that more than once. And if you were more popular than her, your friends would have called her that too. And then you find pictures of her showing off her goodies to randoms on the internet. You are going to use that against her to further affirm that she is a slut, and more than likely all of your friends, and their friends, and their friends friends are going to agree with you. I'm not saying Amanda Todd was a whore that deserved to die. I'm just saying, at 15 if some stupid girl had sex with my boyfriend, I would have made her life a living hell too. And I doubt they really thought she would kill herself, and I am sure these kids are pretty scared and upset now that she has. Judging by her actions, she was a bit of an attention whore. I'm sure when she tried to kill herself the first time, they all assumed she was just looking for more attention.

These are 15 year old kids and they are immature, and they handle their relationships in an immature way. Hell, I'm 24 and if some girl slept with my boyfriend and then I found pictures of her online, I'd STILL probably call her a slut and use them against her. Not because it's the right thing to do, but because it would humilate her, and the boyfriend who cheated on you with a slut, and maybe make you feel better for a minute.

The fact is Amanda made a mistake. A mistake she wouldn't take responsibility for. Did she ever apologize to her "bullies" for hurting them? Instead of crying about all the horrible things they were saying to her, why didn't she say "You're right. I acted like a slut and I'm sorry. I'm sorry I slept with your boyfriend. I did these things BECAUSE...." People are pretty forgiving when you can at least acknowledge that what you did was wrong.

While I see a victim in Amanda Todd, I only see it that way because the "bullies" went overboard. But her "bullies" didn't kill her. They were hurt by her actions and they covered that up with anger. This little girl took her own life because she couldn't handle the consequences of her actions. It doesn't make it any less tragic, but it does make her death her own fault. I would hope that if she couldn't accept responsibility for her actions, she could at least accept responsibility for her death.

 

So, basically, you're okay with bullying behaviour, so you're downplaying it. If you're 24, and would still behave the way you say you would, I strongly suggest you grow up.

When I was 15, if someone had slept with my boyfriend, I may have called her names, although probably mostly to my friends. I wouldn't have punched her. I wouldn't have ganged up on her. And, I would have kicked my boyfriend to the curb. I don't think it's okay to have sex with someone else's boyfriend, husband or whatever - but the *betrayal* comes from the person who cheats, not the person they cheat with.

Amanda made a couple of stupid decisions. I won't argue that. The people who beat her up, suggested that she drink more bleach next time, etc. went *way* beyond making a couple of stupid decisions. I hope they're squirming with guilt now, because they won't grow without that...but I really doubt they care at all.

Male bullying?

Stublore wrote:

There is call here to combat misogny. Where is the evidence it was male bullying that led to this tragedy?

Umm...there were certainly girls bullying her, but the whole thing started when a guy broadcast her photo far and wide, because she wouldn't put on a "show" for him. The entire situation was triggered by a sexual predator.

And, misogyny isn't the sole realm of men.

Bored?

ohpleasegimmeabreak wrote:

Somewhere in the 3rd world, there are kids dying because they can't get food to eat or shelter.. let alone afford a computer.

meanwhile somewhere in "canada" some middle class privelaged white girl was "bored" enough to flash her boobs online like a spoiled attention whore then kills herself because she didn't like the results.

The results were insanely disproportionate and inappropriate for what she actually did.

I'm curious, too - were you there when Amanda Todd flashed? It's just that you seem very sure that boredom was her motivation, and I don't get how you could possibly know that. This kind of thing happens for a lot of reasons, and boredom has little to do with, most of the time.

Emo? Try some compassion

thefactsandnuthinbutthefacts]</p><p>[quote=Anonir88484884 wrote:

The fact is Amanda made a mistake. A mistake she wouldn't take responsibility for. Did she ever apologize to her "bullies" for hurting them? Instead of crying about all the horrible things they were saying to her, why didn't she say "You're right. I acted like a slut and I'm sorry. I'm sorry I slept with your boyfriend. I did these things BECAUSE...." People are pretty forgiving when you can at least acknowledge that what you did was wrong.

Are they? Prove it. *Some* people are forgiving. Some people aren't. And, if they were so hurt, why weren't they ganging upon the boyfriend - you know, the one who had actually made some kind of commitment to the girlfriend, not the random girl who hadn't?

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While I see a victim in Amanda Todd, I only see it that way because the "bullies" went overboard. But her "bullies" didn't kill her. They were hurt by her actions and they covered that up with anger. This little girl took her own life because she couldn't handle the consequences of her actions. It doesn't make it any less tragic, but it does make her death her own fault. I would hope that if she couldn't accept responsibility for her actions, she could at least accept responsibility for her death.

Bullying *is* overboard. What Amanda Todd was subjected to was beyond vile, and it's not that uncommon when the pack smells blood.

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Too many feminists putting themselves in the shoes of Amanda but they fail to realize the "other" victim that they should put the shoes on for size.. the girl who was the gf of the boy that Amanda Todd slept with. She was a victim who got hurt because of Amanda's selfish decision and negligence/ignorance. Sure, the guy was guilty too, but theres enough blame to spread around so Amanda is equally as guilty as the boy.

Nope. Amanda shouldn't have had sex with the guy, but she's not equally guilty.The boyfriend is the one who cheated on his own girlfriend, whom he theoretically cares about. Instead of calling Amanda a slut, the girl should have appreciated the opportunity to find out that her boyfriend is a jerk. OTOH...how did she know about it? Did her boyfriend tell her? Did they set it up between them to make Amanda feel like crap (far-fetched? Maybe - but I've heard of stories just like it)?

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She consented to the sex. He didn't "rape her".. she slept with him on her own free will. Did she really expect that there would be no concequences for this slutty whorish behavior? get real!!!!

Slutty, whorish? Nice. I hope that applies to the boyfriend, too (probably not - somehow, those terms almost never get applied to guys, no matter how indiscriminate or damaging their sexual behaviour is - even when I was a teen, 30 years ago, the same behaviour that caused a girl to be labelled "slut, whore, bitch", etc. tended to earn "stud" for a guy. And...yeah - I think it's entirely possible that when a 15 year old girl had sex with a guy who said he liked her, she failed to anticipate being beat up.

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She killed herself because she chose not to face reality when shit hit the fan. She refused to accept responsibility and took the cowards way out with no apology to the people she victimized. And she hurt her family by killing herself. Didn't bother thinking to herself what kind of pain she would be inflicting to her family by commiting suicide. (also why i hate emo kids who do the same shit. COWARDS!)

You don't understand anything about depression, do you? It's entirely possible that she thought she was doing her family and friends a favour. I've been depressed - true clinical depression - and that's what it's like. At its peak, I thought my son would be better off if I slit my wrists...even though that would have left him with no mother, no breadwinner, and a father who was addicted to cocaine. It would have been hell for him, but I believed, right down to my core, that it would be the best thing I could do for him. Depression messes up your perceptions in a major way.

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No tears shed here. Shes no hero to me.

Hero? What would make her a hero? She's not a hero to me, either. But, that doesn't mean there are no tears. She was only 15, and had so much in front of her and now she's dead. I don't have to call her a hero to have compassion for her mental state, and for her family.

no, YOU give it a rest

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When I was 15, if someone had slept with my boyfriend, I may have called her names, although probably mostly to my friends.

BULL!! You are playing up the roll without being in the actual situation.

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I wouldn't have punched her.

BULL!!. You are playing up the roll without being in the actual situation.

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I wouldn't have ganged up on her.

BULL!! You are playing up the roll without being in the actual situation.

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And, I would have kicked my boyfriend to the curb.

 

*groan* 8-|

GET REAL. nobody's buying this crap. Why don't you do like your name and "give it a rest".

She was groomed by a pedophile and you want to turn this into a sexism thing? the guy most likely wasn't aware of the sexism link, he was more interested in getting a 12 year old to show him more on a webcam, praying on the fact she had low self esteem, this then escalated into depression, ive been on the facebook pages, ive read the comments by those still bullying this poor girl, the ignorance is astounding. I think the biggest issue that needs to be addressed is why no one treated her for her manic depression? self harm, crying all the time, not wanting to go out, no self worth, crying out for help, failed suicide attempts, she should of been taken to a mental health clinic, where she would of been safe, where she would of had the treatment she needed to get better, grow stronger and become the woman she deserved. People focused too much on the bullying instead of her illness, they thought cure the bullying, cure her. they moved her 3 times to get her away from the bullying, and gave her counselling for it, no where have i read about the treatment of her depression apart from tablets, she needed more than that. and i think that is where the failings are, no one recognized just how serious it was with her, yet its all there in the video she made.

"Bull"? In what sense?

yougiveitarest wrote:

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When I was 15, if someone had slept with my boyfriend, I may have called her names, although probably mostly to my friends.

BULL!! You are playing up the roll without being in the actual situation.

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I wouldn't have punched her.

BULL!!. You are playing up the roll without being in the actual situation.

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I wouldn't have ganged up on her.

BULL!! You are playing up the roll without being in the actual situation.

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And, I would have kicked my boyfriend to the curb.

*groan* 8-|

GET REAL. nobody's buying this crap. Why don't you do like your name and "give it a rest".

Translation: "I'd have done all these things, so I have to believe that other people would, too". When someone defends behaviour as vile as what Amanda Todd was subjected to, they're saying a lot about themselves.

 

I dealt with a lot of crap in my teens. I didn't have anyone cheat on me (my only serious boyfriend, who I met at 16, ended up being my first husband, and when we split up, it was 15 years later, over his drug issues, not another woman). But, I dealt with a lot of other betrayals, by both friends and boyfriends. I never once felt it necessary to gather up a gang of people and go beat someone up...not once. (And, no - I was no angel - I got into a few fights, but they were one on one, and in response to immediate insults/threats. When Amanda Todd got beaten up, it was neither.) I saw quite a few people deal with their boyfriend or girlfriend cheating, and I never once saw anyone gather up a gang of friends and go beat up the other girl/guy. This was a totally over the top reaction.

I've also been in a situation (as a teen) when a guy tried to get into my pants, including claiming that he'd broken up with his girlfriend, who was a friend of mine. He came close, because he and I had serious chemistry, but didn't get there. (I wanted to check his story out first.) He *did* get there with yet another friend, and his girlfriend dumped him on his butt. She never went after the girl. She didn't go after her boyfriend with a gang of friends, either. She dumped the jerk.

The reaction of this girl and her friends was completely inappropriate, disproportionate to the offense, and aimed at the wrong person. For all anyone knows to the contrary, the guy told Amanda that he and his girlfriend had broken up, or that he'd just found out she was cheating on *him*, or any of a number of other possible stories. But, even if he didn't, beating her up, and urging her to drink more bleach, is a vicious, vile overreaction to finding out one's boyfriend is a jerk.

sisterhood fails again

Ian wrote:
I think the biggest issue that needs to be addressed is why no one treated her for her manic depression? self harm, crying all the time, not wanting to go out, no self worth, crying out for help, failed suicide attempts, she should of been taken to a mental health clinic, where she would of been safe, where she would of had the treatment she needed to get better, grow stronger and become the woman she deserved.

Her mother was solely responsible for her well being. She should have recognised her own daughters ongoing troubles and took action to protect & make sure she was taken care off. thats what single mothers are supposed to do for their daughters.. She failed.

Whats she gonna do? get help from an outsider? It would have had to be a "woman" if so because a random guy helping her would have been seen as a potential rapist or predator no matter his intentions.. hell, men get looked down upon just for holding open a damn door for ladies in 2012, so lets just write off "looking for help from a man" cause it couldn't and definately shouldn't happen.

*feminists hands on hips swinging finger back and forth* "Women don't need any help from a man! mmm-hmm we can help ourselves! uh-huh!"

cool.

So.. If her mother couldn't help her, where was the mighty sisterhood that should have helped Amanda in her time of need? Looks like they failed her too.

 

 

 

where were YOU

Give it a rest wrote:

 were you there when Amanda Todd flashed?

 

I don't know where he was.. but i can tell you where I was..

 

[sarc] I was scratching my nuts, drinking a beer, belching out loud with my buddies, watching the football game with other guys [/sarc] 

...and enjoying my free time away from the internet & no females around...just living in peace and harmony with my brethren. You know... "just being a guy". (and no, there were no strippers on the way to the apartment) :P

Where did you expect guys to be? In a telephone booth putting on a cape and getting ready to save the Amanda Todd's of life?

uh, no. That would be sexist, remember? You women don't need our help.

Its not our responsibility to help or be chivalrous to a 13 year old girl cause we know any guy that would help her would be looked upon as pedo first and foremost just for being around her. This is the world you feminists created so we adapted to the environment. Most of us know where the danger zones are now and avoid them. Thanks!

Women don't need us.. thats actually a good thing! so let us males belch with our beer buddies & watch the damn football game while you go get your nails done or go knit a sweater or something. This is 2012! The "Amanda Todds" of the world are the responsibility of themselves, their parent ("singular" - a whole other can of worms for a different disscussion) and of feminists.

In reguards to the article, You can blame misogyny and men all you want. It weighs nothing on my conscience and I encourage other men to not let it weigh on theirs as its not their problem either. Women hate themselves.. and lately they have a good reason to. 

Ladies : This is your war, not ours. Fight amongst yourselves.

 

 

 

 

 

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I'm curious, too - were you there when Amanda Todd flashed? It's just that you seem very sure that boredom was her motivation, and I don't get how you could possibly know that. This kind of thing happens for a lot of reasons, and boredom has little to do with, most of the time.

If Amanda had a healthy hobby (internet flashing doesn't qualify. sorry.) and other things to occupy her mind (picking up a book & reading, learning something for her future), she wouldn't have been bored. This is why for the longest time in urban areas they have community centers and playgrounds. Without them, kids find their "own" things to do.

Are you really that oblivious that you think kids don't get bored? You sound like you were sheltered as a kid.

Children who have nothing to do to occupy their mind in a positive and constructive way will make room in their minds to "experiment" - (drugs, sex, stealing, etc) which is what Amanda Todd did. Blaming it on depression & low self esteem is putting the cart before the horse. She got that low self esteem after she learned her lesson.

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This is 2012! The "Amanda Todds" of the world are the responsibility of themselves, their parent ("singular" - a whole other can of worms for a different disscussion) and of feminists.

In reguards to the article, You can blame misogyny and men all you want. It weighs nothing on my conscience and I encourage other men to not let it weigh on theirs as its not their problem either. Women hate themselves.. and lately they have a good reason to. 

Ladies : This is your war, not ours. Fight amongst yourselves.

As much as i'd like to argue against that, sadly.. you are absolutely correct. You nailed it.

Feminists don't want to hear the truth, so lets just let them cover their ears and put on their tinfoil hats.. us men have bigger fish to fry than to worry about women who more than willingly make the same mistakes over and over and over again.

I wash my hands on the whole damn deal too.

Solidarity

Ms. Mallet's idea of reducing the meaning of women showing their breasts is a very intriguing one and something similar is being done on a blog in solidarity with Amanda Todd. This is the address: http://s0lidair.tumblr.com

 

Meh. The article was very

Meh. The article was very once sided and extremely biased. Written from an armchair feminists point of view.

 

Now....if you want the truth, the Amazing Athiest comes to save the day in the link below and tells it like it is reguarding the "Amanda Todd Squad"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-qgARGjT6s

nuff said

 

 

the endless enigma (lyrics)

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Why isn't anyone talking about the misogyny involved in Amanda Todd's life and death?

"I'm Tired of hypocrite freaks..

with tongues in their cheeks

turning their eyes as they speak

they make me sick and tired!!"

-ELP "endless enigma (1973)

 

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“It made me want to take a topless photo and post it online with a statement of protest. Of course, I won't do this because I know most people wouldn't understand or get it, but the urge was there.”


"Are you confused to the point /

in your mind that your blind, can't you see you're wrong?"

-ELP "endless enigma" (1973)

 

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I didn't like how the first part hints that the moral of the story is ‘girls, don't flash your breasts on a webcam

 

"Please! PLEASEE!!! PLEASE OPEN THEIR EYES!!!"

-ELP "endless enigma" (1973)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQxc2-ERPug

 

welcome to the real world

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The results were insanely disproportionate and inappropriate for what she actually did.

 

Welcome to the real world.
Life is not fair. get used to it.

 

 

Bored?

socialnutrition wrote:
Are you really that oblivious that you think kids don't get bored? You sound like you were sheltered as a kid.

Sheltered? Not so much. I was sexually abused from the age of three, by my grandfather. I was sexually abused for two years (grade 6 and 7) by my elementary school janitor.

I was smoking at 11. I was drinking and doing drugs at 14. I lost my virginity to a 21 year old at 15. I hung out with kids from "the wrong side of the tracks". (My father was an alcoholic, and a blue collar worker, so by many standards, I was also from "the wrong side of the tracks".) I was bullied. I flashed someone at a party once, but that was before phone cameras and webcams. I made a lot of stupid decisions, and I also lived with clinical depression for a long time.

I was very far from sheltered. I also never even remotely suggested that kids don't get bored. I said that the poster I quoted was *assuming* that Amanda Todd flashed out of boredom, and he/she has no reason to assume that. He/she wasn't there, and doesn't know why it happened.

 

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Children who have nothing to do to occupy their mind in a positive and constructive way will make room in their minds to "experiment" - (drugs, sex, stealing, etc) which is what Amanda Todd did. Blaming it on depression & low self esteem is putting the cart before the horse. She got that low self esteem after she learned her lesson.

Kids who *do* have other things to occupy their minds will do that, too - not always, but it does happen. You have no idea *why* she flashed the guy. You're assuming it was boredom, just like the other poster. (Why? Is it easier to be contemptuous of someone who violates cultural sexual mores - at 12/13 - if you figure you know the reason, and it was a simple one?) Also, how do you know when she got the low self-esteem? People can be suffering from self image problems for all kinds of reasons.

Also - all that stuff I posted above? I did that - the drugs, the alcohol, the sex - not the stealing - but I was a juvenile delinquent, and most of the people I hung with when I was young have criminal records for one thing or another. I was a bookworm, and always had stuff to occupy my mind - a novel a day, for a start...math competitions...puzzle books...music. Poor behaviour from youth just isn't as simple as "oh, they were bored, so they took off all their clothes and smoked crack". Yes - that can happen, but it's not what happens in every single case. People are jumping to a lot of conclusions about Amanda Todd.

Where you were isn't the issue

notmyprob wrote:

Give it a rest wrote:

 were you there when Amanda Todd flashed?

 

I don't know where he was.. but i can tell you where I was..

 

[sarc] I was scratching my nuts, drinking a beer, belching out loud with my buddies, watching the football game with other guys [/sarc] 

...and enjoying my free time away from the internet & no females around...just living in peace and harmony with my brethren. You know... "just being a guy". (and no, there were no strippers on the way to the apartment) :P

Where did you expect guys to be? In a telephone booth putting on a cape and getting ready to save the Amanda Todd's of life?

I have no idea what this is about, but my point wasn't that the guy should have been there helping Amanda Todd. My point was that it makes no sense to state that she did something for X motive, unless you were there, and know that's what happened. None of us know why Amanda Todd flashed. Based on my own experiences, I'd say it's very unlikely that the sole cause was boredom.

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uh, no. That would be sexist, remember? You women don't need our help.

umm...I'm not a feminist. I also have no objection to help from men (or to helping men). I'm a married 40 something stay at home mom of four. My husband helps me lots. I help him, too. It's a partnership, and he's absolutely every bit as valuable to our family and marriage as I am.

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Its not our responsibility to help or be chivalrous to a 13 year old girl cause we know any guy that would help her would be looked upon as pedo first and foremost just for being around her. This is the world you feminists created so we adapted to the environment. Most of us know where the danger zones are now and avoid them. Thanks!

I didn't see who was asking you to be chivalrous. I'm the one you quoted, and I certainly wasn't asking anybody to be chivalrous. I was simply pointing out that someone was making major assumptions about Amanda Todd's motivations, without having actually been there.

Also, feminists didn't create the hyper awareness of pedophiles and perverts. People growing up with histories of sexual abuse that was never addressed, because people wanted to pretend that Uncle Frank was a great guy, created that awareness. I absolutely agree with you that men are looked at with totally unfair suspicion in many circumstances.

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Women don't need us.. thats actually a good thing! so let us males belch with our beer buddies & watch the damn football game while you go get your nails done or go knit a sweater or something. This is 2012! The "Amanda Todds" of the world are the responsibility of themselves, their parent ("singular" - a whole other can of worms for a different disscussion) and of feminists.

What does "women don't need us" have to do with Amanda Todd. She wasn't a woman. She was a child. She flashed when she was in *7th grade*. That's elementary school, at least in BC.

Parent? From what I gathered from her video, she was actually living with her dad when the original crap went down, and went to live with her mom, so that she could change to a whole new school district, and get away from the sick predator. Both parents were involved.

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Women hate themselves.. and lately they have a good reason to.

What reason is that, just out of curiousity?

 

 

 

 

 

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No, life's not fair - why do people love that so much?

ohpleasegimmeabreak wrote:

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The results were insanely disproportionate and inappropriate for what she actually did.

Welcome to the real world.
Life is not fair. get used to it.

I've never believed life is fair. Anybody who does is a fool or a child...or both.

"Life isn't fair" is a simple fact. It's not an excuse to beat, abuse, bully and torment people. It's not an excuse to be a sick, cowardly, sexual predator, and then shrug it off with "it's her own fault, for making a mistake". It's not an excuse to beat someone up, because you found out your boyfriend is a lying jerk. It's not an excuse to urge someone who tried to suicide to drink more bleach.

"Life isn't fair" doesn't have a rider of "so it's totally okay to try to maximize the unfairness and be as cruel as we can to everyone around us".

Amanda Todd shouldn't have had sex with someone else's boyfriend. The people who turned beating her up into a big circus shouldn't have done that, either.

What does "the sisterhood" have to do with this?

thefailureofsisterhood wrote:

Her mother was solely responsible for her well being. She should have recognised her own daughters ongoing troubles and took action to protect & make sure she was taken care off. thats what single mothers are supposed to do for their daughters.. She failed.

Why was her mother solely responsible?

Her mother was getting her help. Amanda had been hospitalized and treated over the summer. This wasn't being ignored.

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Whats she gonna do? get help from an outsider? It would have had to be a "woman" if so because a random guy helping her would have been seen as a potential rapist or predator no matter his intentions..

There are a lot of people who could (and probably did) help who are neither women nor "a random guy" - doctors, psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors, etc. can all be male or female. Carol Todd could have been getting help from many "outsiders", of either gender.

hell, men get looked down upon just for holding open a damn door for ladies in 2012, so lets just write off "looking for help from a man" cause it couldn't and definately shouldn't happen.[quote]</p><p>That depends on the man - who he is, what knowledge and experience he brings to the table, etc.</p><p>[quote wrote:
*feminists hands on hips swinging finger back and forth* "Women don't need any help from a man! mmm-hmm we can help ourselves! uh-huh!"

Why is this about feminists rejecting help from "a man"? What man or men do you think Carol Todd should have been asking for help? How do you know that no men helped?

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cool.

So.. If her mother couldn't help her, where was the mighty sisterhood that should have helped Amanda in her time of need? Looks like they failed her too.

What sisterhood should have helped her? She was getting help, and getting treatment. She still suicided. It happens, even when people are helping. It doesn't mean nobody was helping. It doesn't mean the "sisterhood" failed her. It doesn't mean men failed her. It means that depression isn't as easy to fix as people think, and it's not easy to tell - even to the experts - when someone is going to end it all. (I have a friend whose daughter suicided after the doctor she was seeing told her parents that she could come off her anti-depressants. If they'd left her on it, she might still be here. They were getting help - they still lost their daughter.)

once again, its on!

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quote #1  None of us know why Amanda Todd flashed.

quote #2 (from same paragraph)   Based on my own experiences, I'd say it's very unlikely that the sole cause was boredom.



so nobody knows.. but conveniently, YOU know all about her just based on your unrelated life although you dont know amanda personally.


riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. spoken like a true feminist jumping onto the bandwagon. Pat youself on the back for that one.

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I was simply pointing out that someone was making major assumptions about Amanda Todd's motivations, without having actually been there.


So you decided to combat it by making your own assumptions about Amanda Todd's life without being there?

I would pat you on the back for that... but my hands are full (TV remote control in right hand... and beer can in left.)

 

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What does "women don't need us" have to do with Amanda Todd. She wasn't a woman.


ok i'll play along..... she was a "man" then. you were right.
Amanda todd should have manned up and took responsibility for her actions after flashing her boobs and sleeping around with people in a relationship.

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Women hate themselves.. and lately they have a good reason to.

What reason is that, just out of curiousity?


for their obliviousness to their own hypocrisy in this whole post amanda todd scenario / fallout which has taken place all over the internet.
if you are going to ask me what that means too then you pretty much don't "get it" and no amount of explaining will enlighten you.

 

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"Life isn't fair" is a simple fact. It's not an excuse to beat, abuse, bully and torment people.


Its always women who fight for her cause when its too late. my "life isnt fair, get used to it" comment is what i have to say to when you women do this.

I already gave a valid explination as to why men don't, can't and shouldn't help. So what are YOU doing to stop bullying? hmm? What are YOU doing to stop the next Amanda Todd from doing this? Posting another "R.I.P." on FB like shes the flavor of the week with the other self proclaimed morally responsible "standing on the top of the mountain to let everyone know this" hypocrites then forgetting who she is a week later?

We see this happen every...  single... frakkin ....day! What are YOU doing to change this?

 

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The people who turned beating her up into a big circus shouldn't have done that, either.


no. the real circus happened when the poseur women jumped on the amanda todd bandwagon when it was
the "cool & totally hip thing" to flaunt how morally responisble women are to everybody on facebook... have you not noticed that circus at all?
remember.. these are the same women who laugh and yell "woohoo!!" at slutwalk. its an excuse to party and be foolish & ignorant. you DID see the pics of slutwalk, haven't you? (the pic of the girl holding up "men are the n***ers of the world" (comparing their struggle to racism.. puh-lease! don't go there!) and all youtube videos of the smiling girls behind her marching down the street yelling "woohoo" "yeaahhhhhh") - Keep in mind.. they were doing this in the name of Amanda Todd and everyone else like her...

Newsflash, ladies... this does NOT torment your predators (past, present or future) and doesn't empower you. You are basically showing everyone why they should NOT take you serious.

do you not see the total hypocrisy of the amanda todd squad?
most of these women who have "RIP Amanda you were an innocent angel" in their profiles have bullied someone in their lifetime ..........or haven't YET bullied anyone. (keyword.. "Yet")

which leads us back to this :

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Women hate themselves.. and lately they have a good reason to.


understand now? or are you going to just sweep it under the rug again?

 

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How do you know that no men helped?


You watched amanda todds video, right? Go watch it again and tell me other than her Dad finding her in a ditch (as she put it) who else (Man or woman) helped her in her detailed story?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8 girls arrested for bullying

finally! a little bit of justice in this world...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/10/19/london-bullying-arrests-girls-cyber.html

8 girls arrested. no guys were to blame for this one.

If you feminist single mothers don't get your shit together & straighten out your daughters, then YOUR daughter will be in the next batch of bully girls headed for jail.

Guess who wont shed a tear for them? thats right..

Suck on that for awhile.

 

 

 

To reclaim beauty

Lipstick Press is calling for poetry submissions for an anthology on Beautiful Women

 

http://lipstickpoetry.blogspot.ca/2012/10/beautiful-women.html

poetry ends bullying

Janet wrote:

Lipstick Press is calling for poetry submissions for an anthology on Beautiful Women

 

http://lipstickpoetry.blogspot.ca/2012/10/beautiful-women.html

Awesome!

Just to be different and unique, Im going to write a poem about how beautiful the female bullies were because they are female too and ALL women are beautiful inside and outside.

But first im going to knit this anti-bullying sweater. Much like poetry, we all know how effective knitting is to ending bullying.

-SS

Truth

buttfucked her

new trend please & thanks

ugh. amanda todd is soooo "last month"


I was mourning her when it was still "cool" and "in style" before all the bandwagon jumpers hopped on board.

shes old news now. new trend plz. kthxbye

A song I wrote about this situation..

I DONT SUPPORT THE REASON WHY SHE IS DEPRESSED, But I definitely am not happy or agree with what resulted in her “flashing”. It is totally over board and bullshit. I made a song especially for her, hoping my voice, her voice, kids who experience anything similar, their voice, OUR VOICE gets heard. Check out this song & post it around for everyone to listen to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtfeLcTfU1I&list=UUVxfMukNCV02BlBjVlPfY2Q&index=3&feature=plcp

yer song sucks

Shalvi : Your song sucks.


Stop using Amanda Todd to promote your music you attention whore. You are part of the problem.

Kody

Dr.Pell wrote:

Since the person who was allegedly harrassing her on Facebook has never been identified why do you assume it was a man rather than a female posing as a man, or some lesbian predator? In fact, it's more likely it was a female because many of these cases in the past involved females harassing other females The person who hit Amanda was also a female and she did it because she stole her boyfriend. So how is any of this misogyny?

 

Kody Maxson

 

Hypocrisy

Shasha wrote:

Some of the comments on here are running what little hope I have left for humanity.... My god.  

She would be alive today if she were a man. A man would not be slut shamed the way Amanda was for exposing her chest online. A man would not be so encouraged to do it in the first place, became a mans worth is not placed on his physical attributes the way a woman's worth is in society. A man would not be beaten and publicly humiliated for sleeping with another guy's girlfriend, he'd be f**king high-fived for it.

The denial of misogyny makes me sick.

 

First off that's a pretty hateful premise to assume that guys would just laugh off a traitorous act like that. But its easy for say since you obviously hate men. Secondly as far as putting too much judgement on looks..... And who's fault is that? Mens?? I don't think so. That's a feminist concept thank you very much. Men used to judge women based upon all kinds of variables back in the day. Before Nazi feminists destroyed women and the moral fabric of our whole society which opened up the doors for the MEN in charge of corporations to manipulate said women, into believing that consumerism and beauty was all that mattered to women. Now look at the world. People putting lipstick on their fucking 5 year olds. Who's to blame for Amanda Todd? It's you sick mothers out there and spindless fathers who have almost all been neutered by you misandrianistic lunatic women who all want to have your cake and eat it too. Look at your daughters ask them a question about world affairs and then ask them something about Justin beiber. It's not just a female issue but i think that's where it started. What are we doing to our kids?? Look at the world this can't keep going like this....

The strong will survive.. the

The strong will survive.. the weak will perish

 

Amanda Todd was the weak.

 

Come on people. shes OLD news now. Lets move onto bigger and better things.

 



 

 

 

I do not think anyone

I do not think anyone "deserves" to die. It also saddens me that a young girl would decide to end her life. But that's the main thing: she DECIDED to commit suicide. No one killed her; many people are bullied and depressed and don't commit suicide. No one held a gun to Amanda Todd's head and made her flash. No one held a gun to her head and made her have sex. She CHOSE to do those things. This article makes it sound like Amanda was forced to do things or tricked into doing things. She was young, but she wasn't 5. I would never look down on someone for being sexual, but highschool is a cruel place. People get teased for their clothes, hair, voice and on and on. Killing yourself over it is a personal choice, no one to blame but yourself.

Completely Agree.

fed_up_with_the_bs wrote:

Sad part is... if this was a 16 year old boy who did the flashing and got bullied and killed himself, he would have been called a "sexual pervert" and he "deserved it"...

a girl does it, shes a heroine and / or a martyr. Notice the absence of females saying what she did (flashing online) was "wrong".

None of you. And with that absence, you are opening the door for it to happen to another female child because she doesn't know it's "wrong" cause you won't teach her that it is... and most of you got the nerve to call yourselves "mothers".

Amanda Todd's death is being used as a vehicle for feminazi's political ajendas and misandry ...that is just utterly disgusting. so once again, Amanda's being "used".. but this time by other women for their own selfish reasons.

Shame on you. Let the girl rest in peace and stop trying to politically rape her and scavange her death for fuel to run your  "misandry machine". Shes been through enough.

Stop being a bully.

I'm a teenager still in highschool, so I don't have any form of an outdated view on how things work for teens in the world now. The internet is terrible. Technology is not used in ways that it should be. Everything everywhere is objectifying women and girls, and it continues to get worse. That being said, that doesn't mean that it should affect us. There's no reason for us to be so reactionary about it. In the end, we are in control of how we see ourselves as girls and as women. After all, no self-respecting man would be one of these "misogynysts" as you refer to almost everyone who's reported this story as.

I saw somewhere else a comment by a man saying that the real change and issue here is the willingness of young women/girls to expose themselves to feel like they're something in the eyes of the recipient. He admitted that when he was her age, he had asked for nudes or similar things from girls, and they were often willing. I agree with him. I would never have done what she did, but I see around me that women as a whole are very different compared to how they used to be, for better or for worse.
I don't understand all of this support for Amanda regarding her flashing this man.
She did not deserve to be bullied, and she did not deserve to die. However, to refer to what she did as a "mistake" is not wrong. She was not even a teenager and probably had no idea how the world really works. Though that was the case, no one forced her to do it. She could have disconnected the chat at any time. It could have registered in her mind that something wasn't right about that, and that she didn't even know that person. Calling it anything but a mistake is just ignorant. 
It seems that nowadays no females have any self-respect.

 

She produced child pornography and commited suicide.

The sheep world is abuzz about a teenager from British Columbia by the name of Amanda Todd who committed suicide because she had been bullied. The sheep, as you know, follow herd mentality. Because it is currently popular to jump on an “oh poor bullied girl” bandwagon, that’s exactly what all sheep do. But let me step right in the middle of the sheep bleep and slap them in the face with a dose of reality.I looked at the video in which Amanda Todd tells her “life story” and thought to myself – kid, I wish I had your problems. This whiny sheltered kid was so spoiled, she opted for suicide simply because a few minor things did not work out for her:Oh noes, somebody will see the pic of mah 7th grader tits on teh interweb. Oh noes, I gots to kill mahself!I’ve been half way around the world and have seen way too many teenagers who would wish all they had to worry about was a pic of their boobs on the internet. They’d wish their minds were merely bothered by the fact that a popular guy only hooked up with them for the sex and schoolmates mocked them.Speaking of having been used for the sex by a popular, pretty faced guy – I’m sure there was another guy somewhere around Amanda Todd who was really interested in her. A guy who liked her and would have brought the world to her pretty feet but the likes of Amanda would never waste their time on a guy who’s not a popular, pretty faced jock so she blew him off.“I thought he really liked me…” – bitch, please! You readily spread your labia for a wigger and spit in a face of a decent guy and then you’re surprised that you had been used? Fuck that shit!Dear sheep – I’m sorry to bitchslap you with a dose of reality again, but Amanda Todd was not bullied. She was just too spoiled to assume responsibility for her actions is all. She was blessed with good looks with which came the admiration and attention. She was so full of herself, she couldn’t grasp the idea of people not defaulting on their asses when they saw her.There are girls who have not been blessed with comparably stunning figure and attractive face. These girl have never received the type of attention that’d followed Amanda since she was born. When Amanda was being hit on, these girls were being ignored. How do you think they feel about “not having friends”? Perhaps they would like a popular guy to ask them to flash their boobs on a webcam for them, but they never get that far cause the popular guy would disconnect or never initiate a chat with them. They are the real victims with the real hard knocks yet they’re not committing suicides because of it.Likewise – how do you feel all the boys Amanda rejected felt when she gave them the finger to waste herself away with a popular, pretty faced jock who sleeps around? She rejected these boys because they did not meet her standard of looks. She thought she was too hot for someone so plain or below average looking. I’m surprised she did not end up becoming a single mother, cause that’s who your typical single mothers are before they become single mothers.Amanda also needlessly blew that whole “tits on the internet” thing out of the proportions. Wherever on the interweb I look, I see naked chicks. I’m talking about millions upon millions of people who had their naked pics leaked. It even happens to celebrities who are widely recognizable – somebody hacks into their email account, or their cell phone is stolen, or a paparazzi snaps a pic when they think they are in a private and secured area – for them the leaks are actually hurtful because they are widely known. In comparison, Amanda Todd was a nobody, only known in a small geographical area.There are also people who are subjected to heavy smear campaigns. Way more is at stake for them that had ever been for Amanda Todd. Yet again… they do not readily commit suicide? Why? Because they are not spoiled little brats who thought the world revolved around them. You on the other hand had it all. You had what most people will never even come close to taking a sniff at and it was still not enough for you. One day you found out that the world did not revolve around you and your world shattered.You, Amanda Todd, could never possibly grasp what it is like to live a life of hardship. You have never woken up worrying if you will have any food to eat today. You have never watched your children being raped as you’re being lead into a torture chamber. Your only worry was that someone may see the pic of your tits on the interweb. Give me a fucking break.

Hey at least Miley Cyrus

Hey at least Miley Cyrus owned up to her sluttyness and twerked her way to the bank. She showed no shame. Good for her.

 

.....thats more than what can be said about Amanda.

 

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